1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:28,960 Good morning. How are you? 2 00:00:30,579 --> 00:00:31,699 It's been great, hasn't it? 3 00:00:33,399 --> 00:00:35,119 I've been blown away by the whole thing. 4 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,179 In fact, I'm leaving. 5 00:00:42,659 --> 00:00:45,439 There have been three themes, haven't there, running through the conference, 6 00:00:46,060 --> 00:00:48,399 which are relevant to what I want to talk about. 7 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:52,320 One is the extraordinary evidence of human creativity 8 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,340 in all of the presentations that we've had 9 00:00:55,340 --> 00:00:56,640 and in all the people here. 10 00:00:57,579 --> 00:01:00,020 Just the variety of it and the range of it. 11 00:01:00,939 --> 00:01:03,039 The second is that it's put us in a place 12 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:04,680 where we have no idea what's going to happen 13 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,519 in terms of the future. 14 00:01:07,019 --> 00:01:09,159 No idea how this may play out. 15 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,219 I have an interest in education. 16 00:01:11,939 --> 00:01:15,480 Actually, what I find is everybody has an interest in education. 17 00:01:16,060 --> 00:01:16,439 Don't you? 18 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:18,159 I find this very interesting. 19 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:19,560 If you're at a dinner party 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,700 and you say you work in education, 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:30,459 Actually, you're not often at dinner parties, frankly, if you work in education. 22 00:01:30,459 --> 00:01:35,219 You're not asked. 23 00:01:35,219 --> 00:01:39,219 And you're never asked back, curiously, that distracts me. 24 00:01:39,219 --> 00:01:44,140 But if you are, and you say to somebody, what do you do, and you say you work in education, 25 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:50,939 you can see the blood run from their face, they think, oh my god, why me? 26 00:01:50,939 --> 00:01:51,980 My one night out all week. 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,579 But if you ask people about their education, 28 00:01:56,659 --> 00:01:57,579 they pin you to the wall. 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,280 Because it's one of those things that goes deep with people. 30 00:02:00,459 --> 00:02:00,879 Am I right? 31 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,700 Like religion and money and other things. 32 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,400 So I have a big interest in education, 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,500 and I think we all do. 34 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,300 We have a huge vested interest in it, 35 00:02:11,539 --> 00:02:14,080 partly because it's education that's meant to take us 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,620 into this future that we can't grasp. 37 00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:19,219 If you think of it, children starting school this year 38 00:02:19,219 --> 00:02:23,159 will be retiring in 2065. 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,080 Nobody has a clue, 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,680 despite all the expertise that's been on parade 41 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,659 for the past four days, 42 00:02:29,979 --> 00:02:32,020 what the world will look like in five years' time. 43 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:34,319 And yet we're meant to be educating them for it. 44 00:02:34,819 --> 00:02:37,020 So the unpredictability, I think, is extraordinary. 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,219 And the third part of this is that we've all agreed, nonetheless, 46 00:02:40,780 --> 00:02:45,939 on the really extraordinary capacities that children have, 47 00:02:46,539 --> 00:02:48,000 their capacities for innovation. 48 00:02:48,860 --> 00:02:51,539 I mean, Serena last night was a marvel, wasn't she? 49 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:52,800 Just seeing what she could do. 50 00:02:53,419 --> 00:02:58,219 And she's exceptional, but I think she's not, so to speak, 51 00:02:58,860 --> 00:03:01,080 exceptional in the whole of childhood. 52 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:03,719 What you have there is a person of extraordinary dedication 53 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:04,460 who found a talent. 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,500 And my contention is all kids have tremendous talents, 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,000 and we squander them pretty ruthlessly. 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,460 So I want to talk about education, 57 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:14,159 and I want to talk about creativity. 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,800 My contention is that creativity now is as important 59 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:31,000 in education as literacy and we should treat it with the same status thank you that was it 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,139 by the way thank you very much so 15 minutes left 61 00:03:36,139 --> 00:03:47,789 well i was born no the um i had a great story recently i love telling it of a little girl 62 00:03:47,789 --> 00:03:52,409 who was in a drawing lesson she was six and she was at the back drawing and the teacher said this 63 00:03:52,409 --> 00:03:57,129 little girl hardly ever paid attention and in this drawing lesson she did and the teacher was 64 00:03:57,129 --> 00:04:02,629 fascinated she went over to and she said what are you drawing and the girl said I'm drawing a picture 65 00:04:02,629 --> 00:04:08,830 of God and the teacher said but nobody knows what God looks like and the girl said they will in a 66 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:25,680 minute when when my son was four in England actually he was four everywhere to be honest I 67 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,019 I mean, if we're being strict about it, 68 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,160 wherever he went, he was four that year, 69 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,180 but he was in the Nativity play. 70 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:33,120 Do you remember the story? 71 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,319 No, it was big. It was a big story. 72 00:04:37,379 --> 00:04:38,879 Mel Gibson did the sequel. You may have seen it. 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:41,579 Nativity 2. 74 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,160 But James got the part of Joseph, which we were thrilled about. 75 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:48,000 We consider this to be one of the lead parts. 76 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:51,660 We had the place crammed full of agents and T-shirts, you know. 77 00:04:51,660 --> 00:04:53,019 James Robinson is Joseph. 78 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:55,100 He didn't have to speak. 79 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:56,860 but do you know the bit where the three kings come in? 80 00:04:57,699 --> 00:04:58,740 Now, they come in bearing gifts, 81 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:00,459 and they bring gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 82 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:01,180 This really happened. 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,759 We're sitting there, and they, I think, 84 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:03,740 just went out of sequence. 85 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,879 Because we talked to the little boy afterwards 86 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:07,220 and said, you know, are you okay with that? 87 00:05:07,220 --> 00:05:08,120 And they said, yeah, why, was that wrong? 88 00:05:08,779 --> 00:05:09,439 They just switched. 89 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:09,879 I think that was it. 90 00:05:10,019 --> 00:05:11,180 Anyway, the three boys came in, 91 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:13,139 little four-year-olds with tea towels on their heads, 92 00:05:13,220 --> 00:05:14,600 and they put these boxes down. 93 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,899 And the first boy said, I bring you gold. 94 00:05:17,579 --> 00:05:19,819 And the second boy said, I bring you myrrh. 95 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:22,339 And the third boy said, Frank sent this. 96 00:05:28,329 --> 00:05:37,959 What these things have in common, you see, is that kids will take a chance. 97 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,939 If they don't know, they'll have a go. 98 00:05:42,139 --> 00:05:42,500 Am I right? 99 00:05:42,779 --> 00:05:44,399 They're not frightened of being wrong. 100 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,639 Now, I don't mean to say that being wrong is the same thing as being creative. 101 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:52,300 What we do know is, if you're not prepared to be wrong, 102 00:05:52,699 --> 00:05:54,199 you'll never come up with anything original. 103 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:57,120 If you're not prepared to be wrong. 104 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,180 And by the time they get to be adults, most kids have lost that capacity. 105 00:06:02,259 --> 00:06:04,540 They have become frightened of being wrong. 106 00:06:04,660 --> 00:06:06,100 And we run our companies, this, by the way. 107 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:07,319 We stigmatize mistakes. 108 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,199 And we're now running national education systems 109 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:12,459 where mistakes are the worst thing you can make. 110 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,540 And the result is that we are educating people 111 00:06:16,540 --> 00:06:18,079 out of their creative capacities. 112 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:20,079 Picasso once said this. 113 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:22,519 He said that all children are born artists. 114 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:25,800 The problem is to remain an artist as we grow up. 115 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,759 I believe this passionately, 116 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,519 that we don't grow into creativity, 117 00:06:29,899 --> 00:06:31,019 we grow out of it. 118 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,480 Or rather, we get educated out of it. 119 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:35,019 So why is this? 120 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:39,660 I lived in Stratford-on-Avon until about five years ago. 121 00:06:39,699 --> 00:06:41,360 In fact, we moved from Stratford to Los Angeles. 122 00:06:42,459 --> 00:06:47,000 So you can imagine what a seamless transition this was from L.A. 123 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,740 Actually, we lived in a place called Snitterfield, just outside Stratford, 124 00:06:49,819 --> 00:06:51,600 which is where Shakespeare's father was born. 125 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:54,560 Are you struck by a new thought? I was. 126 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,899 You don't think of Shakespeare having a father, do you? 127 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,180 Do you? 128 00:06:59,019 --> 00:07:01,139 Because you don't think of Shakespeare being a child, do you? 129 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:02,459 Shakespeare being seven. 130 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,079 I never thought of it. 131 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:05,600 I mean, he was seven at some point. 132 00:07:05,620 --> 00:07:07,279 He was in somebody's English class, wasn't he? 133 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:08,360 Do you understand? 134 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:16,459 How annoying would that be? 135 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:25,439 Must try harder. 136 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:32,040 Being sent to bed by his dad, to Shakespeare. 137 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,019 Go to bed now, you know, to William Shakespeare. 138 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:35,259 And put the pencil down. 139 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:37,579 And stop speaking like that. 140 00:07:41,899 --> 00:07:43,139 It's confusing everybody. 141 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:53,800 Anyway, we moved from Stratford to Los Angeles. 142 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:56,040 And I just want to say a word about the transition. 143 00:07:56,180 --> 00:07:57,660 Actually, my son didn't want to come. 144 00:07:57,740 --> 00:07:58,379 I've got two kids. 145 00:07:58,579 --> 00:08:00,319 He's 21 now and my daughter's 16. 146 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,720 He didn't want to come to Los Angeles. 147 00:08:02,779 --> 00:08:05,399 He loved it, but he had a girlfriend in England. 148 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,920 This was the love of his life. 149 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:13,639 Sarah he'd known her for a month mind you they've had their fourth anniversary 150 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:19,240 because it's a long time when you're 16 anyway he was really upset on the plane he said I'll 151 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,600 never find another girl like Sarah and we were rather pleased about that frankly because 152 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:34,120 she was the main reason we were leaving the country 153 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:43,870 but something strikes you when you move to America and when you travel around the world 154 00:08:43,870 --> 00:08:47,429 every education system on Earth has the same hierarchy of subjects. 155 00:08:48,289 --> 00:08:50,750 Everyone, doesn't matter where you go, you think it would be otherwise, but it isn't. 156 00:08:51,090 --> 00:08:52,909 At the top are mathematics and languages, 157 00:08:53,529 --> 00:08:56,330 then the humanities and the bottom are the arts, everywhere on Earth. 158 00:08:57,350 --> 00:09:01,669 And in pretty much every system too, there's a hierarchy within the arts. 159 00:09:02,269 --> 00:09:05,769 Art and music are normally given a higher status in schools than drama and dance. 160 00:09:06,490 --> 00:09:08,309 There isn't an education system on the planet 161 00:09:08,309 --> 00:09:11,409 that teaches dance every day to children the way we teach them mathematics. 162 00:09:12,029 --> 00:09:13,870 Why? Why not? 163 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:15,750 I think this is rather important. 164 00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:18,070 I think maths is very important, but so is dance. 165 00:09:18,210 --> 00:09:20,110 Children dance all the time, if they're allowed to. We all do. 166 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:22,049 We all have bodies, don't we? 167 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:23,629 Did I miss a meeting? 168 00:09:27,259 --> 00:09:28,879 Truthfully, what happens is, as children grow up, 169 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,080 we start to educate them progressively from the waist up. 170 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:35,000 And then we focus on their heads, and slightly to one side. 171 00:09:36,580 --> 00:09:38,759 If you were to visit education as an alien 172 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:41,220 and say, what's it for, public education, 173 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,919 I think you'd have to conclude, if you look at the output, 174 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,720 you know, who really succeeds by this? 175 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:46,659 Who does everything they should? 176 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:48,659 Who gets all the brownie points? 177 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:49,419 You know, who are the winners? 178 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,299 I think you'd have to conclude the whole purpose 179 00:09:52,299 --> 00:09:53,860 of public education throughout the world 180 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:55,960 is to produce university professors. 181 00:09:57,259 --> 00:09:57,720 Isn't it? 182 00:09:58,220 --> 00:09:59,539 They're the people who come out the top. 183 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,639 And I used to be one. 184 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:01,779 So there. 185 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:02,740 You know. 186 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,440 But, and I like university professors, 187 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,179 but, you know, we shouldn't hold them up 188 00:10:09,179 --> 00:10:12,320 as the high watermark of all human achievement. 189 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,519 They're just a form of life. 190 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:15,840 You know, another form of life. 191 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:17,240 But they're rather curious, 192 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,679 and I say this out of affection for them. 193 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,340 There's something curious about professors. 194 00:10:20,460 --> 00:10:21,960 In my experience, not all of them, but typically, 195 00:10:22,299 --> 00:10:23,259 they live in their heads. 196 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:26,980 They live up there and slightly to one side. 197 00:10:28,259 --> 00:10:30,840 They're disembodied, you know, in a kind of literal way. 198 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,720 You know, they look upon their body 199 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,580 as a form of transport for their heads. 200 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:38,539 You know, it's... 201 00:10:38,539 --> 00:10:41,399 Don't they? 202 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,600 It's a way of getting their head to meetings. 203 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,899 If you want real evidence of out-of-body experiences, by the way, 204 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:56,460 get yourself along to a residential conference for senior academics 205 00:10:56,460 --> 00:10:59,019 and pop into the discotheque on the final night. 206 00:11:00,259 --> 00:11:03,080 And there you will see it, 207 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,679 grown men and women writhing uncontrollably off the beat. 208 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,840 Waiting till it ends so they can go home and write a paper about it. 209 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:19,100 Now, our education system is predicated on the idea of academic ability. 210 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:20,480 And there's a reason. 211 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:23,080 The whole system was invented around the world. 212 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:26,080 There were no public systems of education really before the 19th century. 213 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:29,200 They all came into being to meet the needs of industrialism. 214 00:11:30,059 --> 00:11:32,179 So the hierarchy is rooted on two ideas. 215 00:11:32,179 --> 00:11:36,259 Number one, that the most useful subjects for work are at the top. 216 00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:39,919 So you were probably steered benignly away from things at school when you were a kid, 217 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,940 things you liked on the ground, 218 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,440 you would never get a job doing that. 219 00:11:43,980 --> 00:11:44,440 Is that right? 220 00:11:44,919 --> 00:11:46,500 Don't do music, you're not going to be a musician. 221 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:47,960 Don't do art, you won't be an artist. 222 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:49,820 Benign advice. 223 00:11:50,139 --> 00:11:52,159 Now, profoundly mistaken. 224 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,460 The whole world is engulfed in a revolution. 225 00:11:55,139 --> 00:11:56,960 And the second is academic ability, 226 00:11:57,100 --> 00:11:59,000 which has really come to dominate our view of intelligence 227 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,059 because the universities designed the system in their image. 228 00:12:02,659 --> 00:12:03,259 If you think of it, 229 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,120 the whole system of public education around the world 230 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,440 is a protracted process of university entrance. 231 00:12:08,379 --> 00:12:10,919 And the consequence is that many highly talented, brilliant, 232 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,080 creative people think they're not, 233 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:15,179 because the thing they were good at at school 234 00:12:15,179 --> 00:12:17,519 wasn't valued or was actually stigmatised. 235 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:19,779 And I think we can't afford to go on that way. 236 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,539 In the next 30 years, according to UNESCO, 237 00:12:22,539 --> 00:12:26,000 more people worldwide will be graduating through education 238 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,480 than since the beginning of history. 239 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:28,879 More people. 240 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,080 And it's the combination of all the things we've talked about, 241 00:12:31,179 --> 00:12:33,220 technology and its transformation effect on work, 242 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:36,320 and demography and the huge explosion in population. 243 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,279 Suddenly, degrees aren't worth anything. 244 00:12:39,899 --> 00:12:40,379 Isn't that true? 245 00:12:41,379 --> 00:12:44,500 When I was a student, if you had a degree, you had a job. 246 00:12:44,620 --> 00:12:46,779 If you didn't have a job, it's because you didn't want one. 247 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:49,100 And I didn't want one, frankly. 248 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:56,360 But now, kids with degrees are often heading home to carry on playing video games. 249 00:12:56,899 --> 00:12:59,840 Because you need an MA, where the previous job required a BA, 250 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:01,480 and now you need a PhD for the other. 251 00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:03,139 It's a process of academic inflation. 252 00:13:03,139 --> 00:13:06,379 and it indicates the whole structure of education is shifting beneath our feet. 253 00:13:06,779 --> 00:13:08,840 We need to radically rethink our view of intelligence. 254 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:10,639 We know three things about intelligence. 255 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:11,840 One, it's diverse. 256 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,840 We think about the world in all the ways that we experience it. 257 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,419 We think visually, we think in sound, we think kinesthetically. 258 00:13:18,059 --> 00:13:20,379 We think in abstract terms, we think in movement. 259 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:23,139 Secondly, intelligence is dynamic. 260 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:26,500 If you look at the interactions of a human brain, 261 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,019 as we heard yesterday from a number of presentations, 262 00:13:29,860 --> 00:13:31,700 intelligence is wonderfully interactive. 263 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:33,659 The brain isn't divided into compartments. 264 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,659 In fact, creativity, which I define as the process of having original ideas that have value, 265 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,460 more often than not, comes about through the interaction of different disciplinary ways of seeing things. 266 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,000 The brain is intentional. 267 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,759 By the way, there's a shaft of nerves that joins the two halves of the brain called the corpus callosum. 268 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:52,620 It's thicker in women. 269 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:57,879 Following on from Helen yesterday, I think this is probably why women are better at multitasking. 270 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:59,720 Because you are. 271 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:00,840 Aren't you? 272 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,879 that's a raft of research, but I know it for my personal life. If my wife is cooking a meal at 273 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:14,360 home, which is not often, thankfully, but you know, she's good at some things. But if she's 274 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,980 cooking, you know, she's dealing with people on the phone, she's talking to the kids, she's painting 275 00:14:17,980 --> 00:14:24,220 the ceiling, you know, she's doing open heart surgery over here. If I'm cooking, the door is 276 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:29,519 shut, the kids are out, the phone's on the hook. If she comes in, I get annoyed. I say, Terry, 277 00:14:29,659 --> 00:14:31,240 please, I'm trying to fry an egg in here. 278 00:14:31,539 --> 00:14:39,659 You know, give me a break. 279 00:14:42,059 --> 00:14:44,399 Actually, do you know that old philosophical thing? 280 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,340 If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, did it happen? 281 00:14:47,980 --> 00:14:48,759 Remember that old chestnut? 282 00:14:49,179 --> 00:14:51,379 I saw a great T-shirt, really, recently, which said, 283 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:55,539 if a man speaks his mind in a forest and no woman hears him, 284 00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:56,500 is he still wrong? 285 00:15:04,659 --> 00:15:07,620 And the third thing about intelligence is it's distinct. 286 00:15:07,620 --> 00:15:10,879 I'm doing a new book at the moment called Epiphany 287 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:13,059 which is based on a series of interviews with people 288 00:15:13,059 --> 00:15:14,600 about how they discovered their talent 289 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,940 I'm fascinated by how people got to be there 290 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:19,200 it's really prompted by a conversation 291 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,000 I had with a wonderful woman who most people 292 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,480 have never heard of, she's called Gillian Lynn 293 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,659 have you heard of her? Some have 294 00:15:24,659 --> 00:15:26,799 she's a choreographer and everybody knows her work 295 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:29,360 she did Cats and Phantom of the Opera 296 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,440 she's wonderful, I used to be on the board of the Royal Ballet 297 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,340 in England, as you can see 298 00:15:33,340 --> 00:15:34,299 and 299 00:15:34,299 --> 00:15:37,139 anyway, Gillian and I had lunch one day 300 00:15:37,139 --> 00:15:38,100 I said, how did you get to be a dancer? 301 00:15:38,659 --> 00:15:39,600 And she said it was interesting. 302 00:15:39,659 --> 00:15:41,340 When she was at school, she was really hopeless. 303 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:45,379 And the school in the 30s wrote to her parents and said, 304 00:15:45,419 --> 00:15:46,779 we think Gillian has a learning disorder. 305 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,779 You couldn't concentrate. She was fidgeting. 306 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:50,480 I think now they'd say she had ADHD. 307 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:52,259 Wouldn't you? 308 00:15:53,059 --> 00:15:56,480 But this was the 1930s, and ADHD hadn't been invented at this point. 309 00:15:56,559 --> 00:15:58,539 So it wasn't an available condition. 310 00:15:58,539 --> 00:15:59,299 You know, people... 311 00:15:59,299 --> 00:16:03,899 People weren't aware they could have that. 312 00:16:03,899 --> 00:16:13,110 anyway she sent went to see this um this specialist so this oak paneled room and and 313 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:17,470 she was there with with her mother and she was led and sat on this uh chair at the end and she 314 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:20,750 sat on her hands for 20 minutes while this man talked to mother about all the problems Jillian 315 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:25,669 was having at school and at the end of it um because she was disturbing people her homework 316 00:16:25,669 --> 00:16:30,970 was always late and so on little kid of eight in the end uh the uh the doctor went and sat next to 317 00:16:30,970 --> 00:16:33,830 Jillian said Jillian I've listened to all these things that mother's told me I need to speak to 318 00:16:33,830 --> 00:16:39,970 privately. So she said, wait here, we'll be back, we won't be very long, and they went 319 00:16:39,970 --> 00:16:43,470 and left her. But as they went out of the room, he turned on the radio that was sitting 320 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:47,269 on his desk. And when they got out of the room, he said to her mother, just stand and 321 00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:53,409 watch her. And the minute they left the room, she said she was on her feet, moving to the 322 00:16:53,409 --> 00:16:57,370 music. And they watched for a few minutes, and he turned to her mother, and he said, 323 00:16:57,370 --> 00:17:04,750 you know, Mrs. Lynn, Gillian isn't sick, she's a dancer. Take her to a dance school. I said, 324 00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:09,329 what happened? She said, she did. I can't tell you how wonderful it was. We walked in this room 325 00:17:09,329 --> 00:17:15,829 and it was full of people like me. People who couldn't sit still. People who had to move to 326 00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:21,369 think. Who had to move to think. They did ballet, they did tap, they did jazz, they did modern, 327 00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:23,890 they did contemporary. She was eventually auditioned for the Royal Ballet School. 328 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:25,490 She became a soloist. 329 00:17:25,529 --> 00:17:26,950 She had a wonderful career at the Royal Ballet. 330 00:17:27,430 --> 00:17:29,250 She eventually graduated from the Royal Ballet School, 331 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:32,089 found her own company, the Julian Dance Company, 332 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:33,589 met Andrew Lloyd Webber. 333 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:35,329 She's been responsible for some of the most successful 334 00:17:35,329 --> 00:17:36,670 musical theatre productions in history. 335 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:38,190 She's given pleasure to millions, 336 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:39,390 and she's a multi-millionaire. 337 00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:42,250 Somebody else might have put on medication 338 00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:43,589 and told her to calm down. 339 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:46,369 Now, I think... 340 00:17:46,369 --> 00:17:47,329 APPLAUSE 341 00:17:47,329 --> 00:17:54,559 What I think it comes to is this. 342 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:57,480 Al Gore spoke the other night about ecology 343 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,839 and the revolution that was triggered by Rachel Carson. 344 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:03,539 I believe our only hope for the future 345 00:18:03,539 --> 00:18:07,299 is to adopt a new conception of human ecology, 346 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:10,319 one in which we start to reconstitute our conception 347 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:11,980 of the richness of human capacity. 348 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:16,000 Our education system has mined our minds 349 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,039 in the way that we strip-mined the earth 350 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:19,319 for a particular commodity. 351 00:18:20,019 --> 00:18:22,059 And for the future, it won't serve us. 352 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:24,480 We have to rethink the fundamental principles 353 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,920 on which we're educating our children. 354 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,079 There was a wonderful quote by Jonas Salk who said, 355 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:33,539 if all the insects were to disappear from the earth, 356 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,140 within 50 years, all life on earth would end. 357 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:40,579 If all human beings disappeared from the earth, 358 00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:43,779 within 50 years, all forms of life would flourish. 359 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:45,839 And he's right. 360 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:50,380 What Ted celebrates is the gift of the human imagination. 361 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,859 We have to be careful now that we use this gift wisely 362 00:18:54,859 --> 00:18:58,720 and that we avert some of the scenarios that we've talked about. 363 00:18:58,839 --> 00:18:59,920 And the only way we'll do it 364 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,740 is by seeing our creative capacities for the richness they are 365 00:19:03,740 --> 00:19:06,880 and seeing our children for the hope that they are. 366 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:09,640 And our task is to educate their whole being 367 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,059 so they can face this future. 368 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,599 By the way, we may not see this future, but they will. 369 00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:17,680 And our job is to help them make something of it. 370 00:19:18,339 --> 00:19:18,960 Thank you very much. 371 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:19,960 APPLAUSE 372 00:19:32,569 --> 00:19:49,180 weren't cherished what if they carried no importance held no value there is a 373 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:54,400 place where artistic vision is protected where inspired design ideas live on to 374 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,779 become ultimate driving machines