1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:24,280 Coming up on Part 2 of this special two-part Destination Tomorrow, we take a look at food 2 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,880 technology and how it is used by NASA. 3 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,480 We'll see what the future holds for food technology on long-duration missions to planets 4 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,480 like Mars. 5 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:37,000 Plus, Jonny Alonzo speaks with astronaut Mike Fole to find out what it is like to live and 6 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,440 eat in space. 7 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:46,600 All this and more next on Destination Tomorrow. 8 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,480 Hello everyone, I'm Cara O'Brien and welcome to Part 2 of this special edition of Destination 9 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:52,480 Tomorrow. 10 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:56,720 In Part 1, we found out how NASA researchers have made improvements in the types of foods 11 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,040 astronauts have eaten since the beginning of the space program up to today. 12 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,360 On this program, we will be discussing future food technologies and how they will be used 13 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,280 on long-duration missions. 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,800 Recently, it was announced that NASA is planning to send a crewed mission back to the Moon 15 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,400 and to Mars. 16 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:18,000 Obviously, huge technological challenges will need to be overcome before these missions 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,400 can be successfully accomplished. 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,400 NASA researchers realized that trips like these will require building the appropriate 19 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,640 type of spacecraft, having flawless life support systems, and will need the right 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,400 tools to perform work once we arrive on these distant worlds. 21 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,200 But a major concern that often gets overlooked by the general public is what types of food 22 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,600 will be eaten by our astronauts on these long missions. 23 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Fortunately, previous missions to low-Earth orbit in the space shuttle and longer missions 24 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,160 aboard the International Space Station have helped NASA better understand how food and 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,800 the astronaut interact. 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,520 Not much is known about how food will fare on these long missions. 27 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,000 The primary goal of the food systems in these long missions will be to provide a palatable, 28 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:06,160 nutritious, and safe food for our explorers while also taking up as little room as possible. 29 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,560 Food is vital for survival here on Earth, but is even more important in some respects 30 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,720 in space. 31 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:17,680 Its preparation, quantity, and quality are critical and can affect astronauts on a physiological 32 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,680 level. 33 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,440 One of the most crucial problems on long missions is bone loss. 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,720 Typically, astronauts lose 1 to 2 percent of bone mass each month that they are in space, 35 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,520 especially in the lower halves of their bodies. 36 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,880 In the weightless environment of space, there is almost no stress on the skeletal system. 37 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,320 Bones are no longer providing support to walk and are not being used to maintain body posture. 38 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,000 This lack of stress on the bones may be a key factor in an astronaut's progressive bone 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,600 loss in space. 40 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,320 Other problems like fluid shift and space motion sickness must be taken into account 41 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,240 when providing food to the astronaut crews. 42 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,560 Meals must be chosen that can help slow many of the problems faced by astronauts. 43 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,640 Another major concern for NASA food scientists is the stability of food that is packaged 44 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:06,320 for these missions. 45 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:11,240 It's vital that the food remain edible for years at a time, staying safe and stable aboard 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,800 the spacecraft. 47 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,440 This is perhaps one of the most important factors of the planned long-duration missions. 48 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,680 If the food spoils, there are no options currently available to astronauts for nourishment. 49 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,520 With missions to Mars requiring at least three years to complete, stored food must remain 50 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,860 shelf-stable for that time, preferably longer. 51 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:35,800 In the short term, food systems that are currently being used aboard the shuttle and space station 52 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:40,760 are suitable for transit to another world, but once astronauts arrive, other alternatives 53 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,600 need to be considered. 54 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,800 With these thoughts in mind, researchers at NASA are developing new ways to help crews 55 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,600 eat well in space. 56 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,040 In addition to storing food aboard the spacecraft, many at NASA believe that growing food in 57 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,200 space or on planetary surfaces will need to be perfected to help feed astronauts on these 58 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,760 long missions. 59 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,240 Coming up, Jennifer Pooley speaks with Dr. Michelle Perchonok at NASA Johnson Space Center 60 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,200 to find out about food for the future. 61 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,200 But first... 62 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,840 Did you know that freeze-dried ice cream sold in many museums today is not really eaten 63 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,040 by our astronauts in space? 64 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,360 In the mid-1960s, scientists blended and froze a mixture of coconut fat, milk solids 65 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,120 and sugar, then ground and compressed the mixture into cubes under high pressure, making 66 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,280 a freeze-dried ice cream. 67 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:29,480 This concoction was only taken into space once. 68 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,480 In 1968, the Apollo 7 astronauts tested it while orbiting Earth. 69 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,440 Although it is not known exactly what the crew thought of the ice cream, it's telling 70 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,640 it was put on only one mission. 71 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,920 Incidentally, the product sold today in the museum is produced differently. 72 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,160 It is simply ice cream cut into cubes, then freeze-dried. 73 00:04:47,160 --> 00:05:00,520 One of the biggest challenges facing NASA in the development of long-duration space 74 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,400 missions is food. 75 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:08,080 In centuries past, explorers could almost always find food in their surroundings, even 76 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,680 if they were thousands of miles from home. 77 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Of course, this same luxury will not be afforded to space travelers. 78 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,720 They will have to rely solely on food that is taken with them, or that can be grown during 79 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,680 the mission, in the vehicle, or on the planetary surface. 80 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,880 Although this may seem daunting, researchers at NASA are now developing viable systems 81 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,000 to help keep our astronauts well-fed on long-space missions. 82 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,840 I spoke with National Space Biomedical Research Institute food scientist, Dr. Michelle Prochonok, 83 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:42,160 here at NASA Johnson Space Center, to find out more. 84 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,880 Well, we have several goals. 85 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,040 First is safety. 86 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,840 We have to make sure the food is safe so that the crew doesn't get sick. 87 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:51,120 Second of all, we have to make sure it's nutritious. 88 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,520 The crew is getting all of their nutrition from the food. 89 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,620 And thirdly is acceptability. 90 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:59,640 If the food isn't acceptable, the crew is not going to like it. 91 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,760 And we know that as the duration of the missions get longer, we need to make sure that that 92 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,820 food is acceptable to them. 93 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:10,200 And we do testing, and we'll be doing testing here at Johnson Space Center on the acceptability 94 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,720 of the food with the general Johnson Space Center public, and then later with the actual 95 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,720 crews. 96 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,240 So, what are some of the challenges that you'll have to overcome? 97 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,400 Well, first of all, it's going to take us six to eight months to get to Mars with the 98 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,720 current propulsion system. 99 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,720 And yes, there are engineers here at NASA trying to get the propulsion systems improved, 100 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,600 but right now it's six to eight months, and of course six to eight months home. 101 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,600 And because of the way the planets align with each other, it's going to be 18 months on 102 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,600 the surface. 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,880 So, the mission is going to be somewhere on the order of two and a half to three years 104 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:42,880 long. 105 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,440 So, what that means is we're going to have two kinds of food systems. 106 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,440 The first is a transit food system. 107 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,880 On the vehicle, because of microgravity, it is very difficult or almost impossible to 108 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,480 do any sort of preparation or cooking of the food. 109 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,200 So, we're going to have a food system that's very similar to the ISS food system, prepackaged 110 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,720 foods. 111 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,600 Most likely, they'll be stored at room temperature, so we won't have a refrigerator or a freezer. 112 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Well, that gives us some challenges because it's very difficult to find some foods that 113 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,880 have a three to five year shelf life at room temperature and that you're not keeping it 114 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,560 frozen or even at refrigerated temperatures. 115 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,760 The other part of the challenge is looking at the packaging materials to make sure that 116 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,320 we have the barrier properties to provide us with that three to five year challenge. 117 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,560 So, we have that issue. 118 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,720 Now, think about it. 119 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,520 Six months, you've got all these packages of food because at each meal, you've got about 120 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,320 three to five packages of food for each crew member times three meals and snacks. 121 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,640 How do you store all this? 122 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,120 Not only are you storing it at ambient or room temperatures, but you have to keep track 123 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:47,200 of it, inventory management and tracking and knowing where it is and how much you've used 124 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,440 and when you've used it. 125 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,160 So, the challenges are unbelievable even just for the transit mission and even though we've 126 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,640 done it already on ISS and Shuttle, we've got that many more challenges to go after 127 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,640 for this. 128 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,200 One of the main challenges for NASA planners will be to provide food that will help keep 129 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,760 crews healthy and happy, while also helping the astronauts' bodies acclimate to the rigors 130 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,960 of space travel. 131 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:18,320 During these long missions, astronaut physiology will need to be taken into consideration. 132 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,200 The human body has adapted to the effects of gravity here on Earth, but once gravity 133 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:28,240 is reduced, the body slowly begins to adapt to its new surroundings. 134 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:35,240 During this adaptation process, weight loss, dehydration, constipation, electrolyte imbalance, 135 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,960 bone loss and a myriad of other problems may occur. 136 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,920 To help prevent or alleviate many of these problems, researchers are investigating the 137 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,520 levels of nutrients each astronaut may need. 138 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,720 Proper diet and exercise should counteract many of the problems associated with the physiological 139 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,760 changes. 140 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,880 So that takes care of the transit, of getting to Mars. 141 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,200 Once they're there, on Mars, then what? 142 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Well, then we have the opportunity to use the gravity of Mars. 143 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Mars has one-third gravity, so that's a little bit of gravity, enough to keep things down 144 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,400 towards our feet. 145 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,000 And with that, we can start looking at processing and preparing food. 146 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,440 Now, we may be growing some of these crops, or we may be bringing up these items in bulk, 147 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,400 such as soybeans or wheat. 148 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,040 We will have to grow the vegetables and fruits because those don't have the shelf life we 149 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,040 need. 150 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,560 When I talk about bulk, what we're saying is we're going to bring up in large quantities 151 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:35,320 unprocessed foods that you would then add in, either through processing or maybe in 152 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,320 the recipe. 153 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:42,320 So, for example, we would bring up large quantities of soybeans, and then we could use those soybeans 154 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,800 to process into texturized vegetable proteins, or maybe we make it into tofu. 155 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,640 So we would have that opportunity for more variety, therefore more acceptability in the 156 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:53,880 processed food system. 157 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,280 We'll also be bringing up items that will help us do the preparation in the galley, 158 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:06,800 such as dried herbs and spices, or dried nonfat dry milk, or maybe dried egg whites, because 159 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:12,280 it's going to be hard to bake a cookie or a cake without those kinds of ingredients. 160 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,600 And in addition to the baking soda and baking powder. 161 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,000 So we're looking at all those different ingredients, what the quantities might be, and whether 162 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,040 they will also last that three to five year shelf life, and how we're going to store them. 163 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:29,440 We think we'll have to store the soybeans and the wheat berries at refrigerated temperatures, 164 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,920 and probably in a non-oxygen atmosphere. 165 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,600 Oxygen's not food's friend, and we want to keep the oxygen away from those bulk ingredients 166 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,960 until they're used. 167 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,360 Other than providing bulk foods, there is also a plan for astronauts to grow food once 168 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,800 they arrive and set up planetary bases. 169 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:52,080 The plan would consist of crews growing crops hydroponically, which means to grow the food 170 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,360 by using water rather than soil. 171 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Having fresh crops would not only provide variety in the menu, but would also offer 172 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,460 great psychological benefits to the crews as well. 173 00:11:03,460 --> 00:11:08,700 With both fresh foods and bulk ingredients, crews would be able to process many of the 174 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:11,120 foods that they would be eating. 175 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,780 Processing food would consist of taking one type of food and making it into many different 176 00:11:15,780 --> 00:11:17,220 types of foods. 177 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:22,100 As Michelle mentioned, foods such as soybeans could be processed and made into tofu, soy 178 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:26,260 milk, soy oil, soy flour, and many other items. 179 00:11:26,260 --> 00:11:32,420 Other foods that would be ideal for processing include potatoes, wheat, rice, tomatoes, and 180 00:11:32,420 --> 00:11:33,600 peanuts. 181 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,660 With the right equipment, crews could potentially grow and process large amounts of the food 182 00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:44,020 they would need to survive on site, rather than solely relying on food from Earth. 183 00:11:44,020 --> 00:11:49,060 Well processing is not so hard down here, but now we need to worry about not bringing 184 00:11:49,060 --> 00:11:53,820 up too much weight, too much volume, and trying to be multifunctional with the equipment. 185 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:59,380 For example, maybe a piece of equipment will not only make pasta, but it'll also mill 186 00:11:59,380 --> 00:12:04,100 wheat berries, and it may also make cereal for breakfast. 187 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:05,420 Crew time is an issue. 188 00:12:05,420 --> 00:12:09,820 You don't want the crew to be spending all their time processing and preparing the foods 189 00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:16,820 because they want to be out there exploring and doing real science. 190 00:12:30,380 --> 00:12:37,380 Weight is going to be a major factor in getting crews to other planets. 191 00:12:49,140 --> 00:12:54,620 Knowing this, NASA planners are deciding if they should provide multifunctional processing 192 00:12:54,620 --> 00:12:59,980 equipment, or if they should rely on age-old proven methods of food processing. 193 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:02,020 For example, how do we make bread? 194 00:13:02,020 --> 00:13:06,340 Well, we could do the more modern way of putting everything into the bread maker and letting 195 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:11,940 it happen, or we could actually just go the old-fashioned way, mix all the dough up, knead 196 00:13:11,940 --> 00:13:15,940 it, let it rise, knead it again, let it rise again, and then bake it. 197 00:13:15,940 --> 00:13:22,460 And we're going to have to be looking at where that fine line is on crew time versus automation 198 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:26,740 and the mass that we would have to uplift to the Mars surface. 199 00:13:26,740 --> 00:13:29,280 They're not at Mars to do cooking. 200 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,820 They can do that at home. 201 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:32,260 They're there to explore. 202 00:13:32,260 --> 00:13:38,380 To help make NASA's exploration goals a reality, NASA planners are also relying on outside 203 00:13:38,380 --> 00:13:39,580 help. 204 00:13:39,580 --> 00:13:45,340 Many colleges, universities, and other entities are performing experiments on food and processing 205 00:13:45,340 --> 00:13:49,380 equipment that may someday be used in the space program. 206 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:54,300 The expertise that is being provided will help focus and quicken the development of 207 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:57,740 technologies that will make exploration possible. 208 00:13:57,740 --> 00:14:03,060 We are a small group here, and we're not the experts in everything, so we go externally. 209 00:14:03,060 --> 00:14:08,780 For example, we have a researcher at UC Davis looking at developing, and he's actually built 210 00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:13,620 a prototype on a multipurpose fruit and vegetable processor, testing it using tomatoes, but 211 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:19,460 again, a multipurpose piece of equipment that will dice, cut, concentrate the tomatoes 212 00:14:19,460 --> 00:14:20,780 or anything else. 213 00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:25,540 One of our faculty fellows actually has looked at radiation issues. 214 00:14:25,540 --> 00:14:28,380 We know that radiation is going to be an issue. 215 00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:33,740 We know it for the crew as well as, we believe, for the food, but we don't know at what extent. 216 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:39,020 So Dr. Wilson's been working on how radiation affects soybean functionality, and he's looking 217 00:14:39,020 --> 00:14:40,020 at it on two sides. 218 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:41,300 Again, the safety side. 219 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:45,140 If you're going to bring up bulk ingredients, you need to make sure they're clean and safe 220 00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:47,060 before you bring them up. 221 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:51,900 Then, he also is looking at what kind of radiation they may incur during a mission to Mars. 222 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:58,820 We don't have the atmosphere here on Earth on Mars, so he's looking at how that's affecting, 223 00:14:58,820 --> 00:15:02,020 for him, the tofu processing or manufacture. 224 00:15:02,020 --> 00:15:07,580 He's finding that, yes, at higher levels of radiation, the tofu isn't made quite as firm, 225 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:12,380 and it has an off flavor, an aroma to it, because we get that rancidity from the oil. 226 00:15:12,380 --> 00:15:16,220 Well, Michelle, it seems like you and your co-workers really have your work cut out for 227 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:17,220 you. 228 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:18,220 We do. 229 00:15:18,220 --> 00:15:19,660 It's going to be a huge challenge, but we're going to do it. 230 00:15:19,660 --> 00:15:24,740 Although the Mars mission is more than 25 years away, we're still going to be able to 231 00:15:24,740 --> 00:15:29,740 potentially use some of the technologies that we're working on here on Earth before that 232 00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:31,020 time. 233 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:34,980 So what we're learning today will not only help our astronauts, but will help the people 234 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:36,660 here on Earth also. 235 00:15:36,660 --> 00:15:42,220 With proper cultivation, many of the technologies that are being developed to help our astronauts 236 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:48,780 eat well in space may also someday be used to help feed people back here on Earth. 237 00:15:48,780 --> 00:15:53,100 An added byproduct of plants being grown on permanent planetary bases is that plants will 238 00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:57,340 not only be eaten by astronauts, but they will also be providing oxygen. 239 00:15:57,340 --> 00:16:01,180 In a moment, we'll meet an astronaut who will give us a first-person account of what it 240 00:16:01,180 --> 00:16:03,740 is like to live and eat in space. 241 00:16:03,820 --> 00:16:09,660 First, did you know that the first time solid food was eaten in space was on Gemini 3? 242 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:14,340 Astronaut John Young carried two meal packages to sample on his five-hour mission. 243 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:19,100 While in orbit, Young surprised fellow astronaut Virgil Grissom when he presented him with 244 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:24,220 a corned beef sandwich on rye, which had been purchased at a delicatessen in Cocoa Beach, 245 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:25,220 Florida. 246 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:29,220 Although Grissom enjoyed the gesture, he did not finish the sandwich because it was producing 247 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:31,220 so many crumbs. 248 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:39,740 Many of us have only dreamed of going to space, but only a few of the best and brightest have 249 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:41,740 actually had the opportunity. 250 00:16:41,740 --> 00:16:44,740 But an even smaller amount have spent long periods of time there. 251 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:49,740 The experiments and data collected from these pioneers is helping scientists and future 252 00:16:49,740 --> 00:16:54,740 astronauts learn more about the effects of long-duration missions on the human body. 253 00:16:54,740 --> 00:16:59,740 One of these pioneers that has spent significant time in space helping lead the way is astronaut 254 00:16:59,740 --> 00:17:00,740 Michael Full. 255 00:17:00,740 --> 00:17:06,740 A veteran of six spaceflights, Full is credited with four spacewalks totaling almost 23 hours. 256 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:11,740 He's also spent time on both the Russian space station Mir and was the commander of Expedition 257 00:17:11,740 --> 00:17:14,740 8 aboard the International Space Station. 258 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:21,740 He currently holds the U.S. record for time spent in space at 374 days, 11 hours and 19 259 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:22,740 minutes. 260 00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:26,740 So who better to help us understand what it's like to actually live and eat in space? 261 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:31,740 Johnny Alonzo spoke with Dr. Full to find out how it works. 262 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:39,740 The International Space Station is without doubt one of the most amazing structures ever 263 00:17:39,740 --> 00:17:40,740 built. 264 00:17:40,740 --> 00:17:45,740 Orbiting Earth some 242 miles above us, its stated goal is to teach us how to live in 265 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:47,740 space for long periods of time. 266 00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:51,740 Although there are many areas of scientific study being researched, one of the most important 267 00:17:51,740 --> 00:17:53,740 is food technology. 268 00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:57,740 Understanding how the human body interacts with food in microgravity will be one of several 269 00:17:57,740 --> 00:18:01,740 key questions that need to be answered when we travel outside of Earth's orbit for long 270 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:02,740 periods of time. 271 00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:06,740 Who better to ask about food in space than an astronaut who spent over a year on both 272 00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:09,740 the ISS and the Mir eating a variety of different foods? 273 00:18:09,740 --> 00:18:12,740 Astronaut Mike Full will give us the skinny on what it's like to live in space and to 274 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:15,740 find out how it works. 275 00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:18,740 Eating in space is a treat. 276 00:18:18,740 --> 00:18:22,740 Basically you get hungry, you get thirsty just like we do on Earth. 277 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:26,740 After the first day in space, when you get launched into space, your stomach lifts up 278 00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:29,740 a little bit as you float. 279 00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:35,740 And so for the very first hours after arrival in space, there isn't a desire to eat. 280 00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:40,740 And that's because you're finding some vestibular issues, some nausea. 281 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:43,740 But those pass, and they pass pretty quickly. 282 00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:45,740 In my case, two or three hours. 283 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:50,740 After about two orbits, an orbit is one and a half hours, 90 minutes. 284 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:54,740 After about two or three orbits, you're starting to get ready to take off your space suit that 285 00:18:54,740 --> 00:18:56,740 you use to launch into space. 286 00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:59,740 In my last flight, it was on a Soyuz rocket. 287 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:03,740 You get out of this cramped space, stretch out, you change clothes into something soft, 288 00:19:03,740 --> 00:19:06,740 not this bulky, awkward space suit. 289 00:19:06,740 --> 00:19:08,740 And then you think about eating. 290 00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:13,740 There are many different types of fare, food fare I mean, in space. 291 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:18,740 On the Soyuz rocket, which is probably the most meager food cuisine I've come across 292 00:19:18,740 --> 00:19:20,740 in my career. 293 00:19:20,740 --> 00:19:26,740 The Soyuz simply has dried foods and juices. 294 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:29,740 This food is really not made for a real meal. 295 00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:35,740 However, it's enough to get us by for the two days it takes to get to the International Space Station. 296 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:45,740 You get to the space station after two days, and it's a wonderful, wonderful sight. 297 00:19:45,740 --> 00:19:50,740 You know, not only there are friends there, there's more places to stretch out and move about, 298 00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:56,740 big windows, but there's also food, real food, and they're talking to you about it. 299 00:19:56,740 --> 00:19:59,740 You know, they're saying, hey, what should we put on for you? 300 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:03,740 And the first thing that came to my mind was I remembered my experience of Russian foods 301 00:20:03,740 --> 00:20:05,740 and American foods that we shared 50-50. 302 00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:08,740 Where we keep our food. 303 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:12,740 The red boxes are Russian food. 304 00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:16,740 The blue boxes are American food. 305 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:19,740 Why do we have so few American boxes? 306 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:23,740 That's a good question. 307 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:30,740 I'm not sure what I'm going to have tonight, but I think it's going to be American. 308 00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:32,740 Ah. 309 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:36,740 I've got chocolate pudding cake. 310 00:20:36,740 --> 00:20:39,740 Not sure I want that just yet. 311 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:41,740 All right, let it go. 312 00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:43,740 Let's try something else. 313 00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:47,740 One of the worst things to eat in space, but they still keep sending it, both Americans and Russians, 314 00:20:47,740 --> 00:20:49,740 they send crackers. 315 00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:51,740 And you eat crackers and they go... 316 00:20:51,740 --> 00:20:53,740 And you have all these crumbs flying out. 317 00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:58,740 And the whole issue is to somehow put the cracker into your mouth and then seal your lips around it 318 00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:03,740 and then crunch on it so the crumbs don't explode out of your mouth. 319 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:07,740 Tell me, does food in space taste differently than it does here on Earth? 320 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:11,740 The issue of taste in space is one of, I think, research. 321 00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:19,740 In my personal experience, I don't believe my taste, my sensation of taste really changes in space. 322 00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:23,740 I did notice on my first long-duration flight on the space station Mir, 323 00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:27,740 over time I started to want or crave salty foods more. 324 00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:33,740 So, Mike, when it's time to eat, do you guys all get together at the table or do you sit by yourself? 325 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:35,740 What's the procedure? 326 00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:39,740 The most important thing I think anybody does in their day is eat. 327 00:21:39,740 --> 00:21:44,740 And what do we do? We're social creatures, human beings, and we like to eat together. 328 00:21:44,740 --> 00:21:48,740 And that's where social events normally occur, is around food or drink. 329 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:50,740 The same is true in space. 330 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:53,740 And as the commander of the International Space Station, 331 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:59,740 I understood very, very clearly that I was not going to let us, just two of us for most of the time, 332 00:21:59,740 --> 00:22:02,740 Sasha Kaleri and myself, eat at different times. 333 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:06,740 Because then we would start to come apart. We wouldn't understand each other. 334 00:22:06,740 --> 00:22:09,740 There wouldn't be the exchange. It would just be very, very poor. 335 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:15,740 It's hard enough living for six and a half months in a small space with only one other person far away from everybody else. 336 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:17,740 So I said, Sasha, we're going to have breakfast. 337 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:21,740 We're going to have maybe, you know, a coffee break, about 11. 338 00:22:21,740 --> 00:22:23,740 And we're going to go to lunch. 339 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:24,740 And we're going to have a fixed lunch. 340 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:26,740 And we're not going to let the ground bother us. 341 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:29,740 And we're going to make it clear to the ground we don't want to be bothered. 342 00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:32,740 And we're going to go to tea at about, like, four. 343 00:22:32,740 --> 00:22:35,740 And then we go to evening meal at about seven. 344 00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:37,740 And sure enough, we then got this routine going. 345 00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:43,740 This is a good example of a space shuttle tray. 346 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:48,740 Not often used, simply because the tray really is designed to hold your food. 347 00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:54,740 Now here in front of you, it's very convenient for me to just hold the implements that I would use to talk about eating. 348 00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:57,740 But actually, on the International Space Station, or indeed on the space shuttle, 349 00:22:57,740 --> 00:23:05,740 there's so much Velcro patches around that you can always use the same food implements or items 350 00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:10,740 to simply stick your food to whatever Velcro is near you. 351 00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:13,740 Any wall, any surface generally has some Velcro nearby. 352 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:17,740 And it attaches just with a little Velcro circle. 353 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:20,740 They always make a point on the space station or on the space shuttle 354 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:24,740 to have hook Velcro on the items that you would attach. 355 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:28,740 And they always have pile Velcro on the walls. 356 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:31,740 Pile is softer. It doesn't scratch your skin, for one thing. 357 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:33,740 So it's just more comfortable to be around everywhere. 358 00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:37,740 And then you make hook Velcro, the stuff that's just kind of small and specific. 359 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:41,740 And so I'm holding right here minestrone soup. 360 00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:43,740 And notice there's a barcode. 361 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:46,740 There's also soup minestrone, which is in Russian. 362 00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:48,740 And I read that for you. 363 00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:54,740 The barcode is used in the case that we have to do any food logging experiments. 364 00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:57,740 They know exactly how many calories, what the food value is of this packet. 365 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:00,740 And we have food specialists who know exactly what's in this, 366 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:04,740 all the vitamins, all the calories, fats, et cetera, and cholesterols. 367 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:07,740 If we're going to drink water, for example, we would still log it. 368 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:11,740 Even though there's no calories in it, we would scan the packet, 369 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:13,740 and we'd fill it with the right amount of water. 370 00:24:13,740 --> 00:24:15,740 So we've been talking about all this food. 371 00:24:15,740 --> 00:24:17,740 I mean, how do you control your weight in orbit? 372 00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:21,740 Obviously, you eat more or you eat less, and your weight will change. 373 00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:30,740 In space, the initial reaction, the first two days, is for you to go to toilet a lot, 374 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:33,740 and you lose a lot of fluids. 375 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:39,740 You probably lose 5 to 10 pounds just in the first two days, just through fluid loss. 376 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:41,740 And a lot of the fluid is coming from your legs. 377 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:44,740 It's also shifting up into your upper body. 378 00:24:44,740 --> 00:24:49,740 That's why when you see people on television from space, they kind of have slightly puffed-up cheeks. 379 00:24:49,740 --> 00:24:53,740 I do believe we actually lose that fluid shift somewhat in our faces 380 00:24:53,740 --> 00:24:56,740 because we basically just lost fluid. 381 00:24:56,740 --> 00:24:59,740 So that's a change in the body, and so you have lost weight at that point. 382 00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:02,740 And we measure our mass every two weeks. 383 00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:06,740 And the first month of my flight, we talk to our flight surgeons, our doctors, 384 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:08,740 every week about how things are going. 385 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:12,740 And generally, it's always, how are you doing, nothing's wrong, et cetera. 386 00:25:12,740 --> 00:25:21,740 They want us to eat enough so that our mass, our weight on Earth, stays the same. 387 00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:24,740 And they know that when you come back to Earth, those astronauts, 388 00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:28,740 and we've had many different types of flight, many different cases, 389 00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:33,740 those astronauts that have not kept their weight on orbit but have lost weight 390 00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:36,740 do very poorly recovering on Earth. 391 00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:39,740 They don't get their fluids back into their body quick enough. 392 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:41,740 They aren't strong enough to move around easily. 393 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:46,740 So I was being told by my flight surgeon, Mike, eat. 394 00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:49,740 And I went, yes, I will. 395 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:51,740 So it was simply a license to eat. 396 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:53,740 So that's how it works. 397 00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:58,740 So if you're into really expensive takeout, I've got the stuff for you. 398 00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:00,740 Mmm, minestrone. 399 00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:03,740 That's all for this edition of NASA's Destination Tomorrow. 400 00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:05,740 I'm Cara O'Brien. 401 00:26:05,740 --> 00:26:08,740 For all of us here at NASA, we'll see you next time. 402 00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:14,740 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 403 00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:45,740 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 404 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:17,740 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 405 00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:47,740 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 406 00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:15,740 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology