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A resposta de Mitón

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A resposta de Pascalo, por suposto

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A resposta de Junto de Ministro de Libertino

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Non

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Porque al actuar como nosotros lo hacemos

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Actuar en los términos de la cortesía

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De la RTP

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Non porque al actuar como lo hacemos

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Obligamos

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Educadamente, cortésmente

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Cortésmente con todo el mundo

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ya non hai sujeto para diálogos

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esa é a posición de mito

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que era o texto que les citaba

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sobre o NTT

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lo tienen con unha claridade

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meridiana, a claridade é esa

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o NTT consiste justamente

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en establecer

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normas de relación entre el yo e o outro

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que non induzcan

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constricción

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non?

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como nosotros

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con el TAUM lo hacemos

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cortesmente con todo o mundo

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ya non hai

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materia para odiarnos

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Resposta

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novamente de Pascal

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que é ao revés

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por entón a materia está oculta

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e por tanto a perversidade

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o problema é o asunto

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perdónenme a trivialidade

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pero é a estupidez

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de nosas universidades

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en as que se dá por hecho

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que o trato entre o profesor e o alumno

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se entute

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Jamás

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Esa é a burla extrema

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O despotismo

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Porque a relación de un profesor con seus alunos

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É unha relación despótica

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A relación entre

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Quem posee un saber

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E quem non o posee

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A relación despótica

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Disfrazada de compadre

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É o despotismo máis brutal

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Que pode existir

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Se vos vais a ser despotas con alguén

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Denle la posibilidad de defenderse

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Es decir, señálenle

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Que usted es un hijo de puta

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Y que por lo tanto

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Tienen que tener claro

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Que están ante un hijo de puta

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Que les puede enseñar cosas

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De las que no tienen ni pajo nariz

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La gran burra

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La inmensa burra

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Que está en fingir que no hay barrera

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Deje clara la barrera

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Después pues, digo de Pascón

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Eso sería cierto

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Si en el yo

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No se odiase más

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Que el displacer que de él nos viene

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Pero es que no es eso

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Eso es una trivialidad

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Y eso efectivamente se puede producir con el

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El yo, pues eso insisto

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Un indivíduo insoportable

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Pesado, grosero, lo que sea

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Pero eso es una realidad

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Pero lo que estamos hablando es de algo serio

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Del hecho de que el yo

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Al fijar los campos de perspectiva

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Inabilita por completo

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Cualquier comprensión real

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De lo que sucede

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E la suple

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Por unha relación de dominación

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Iso seria cierto

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Si non se odiase en el yo

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Más que el displacer

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Que de él nos viene

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Pero si lo odio

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Porque é injusto

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Porque é injusta a existencia

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Porque é injusto pasar

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De la ficción gramatical

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O del artificio gramatical

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La proyección sustantiva

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Porque é ilícito pasarte

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Ego covito

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A ego sum covitans

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Se lo planteo así

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Entón olvídese

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Ni agresividad

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El yo en tanto que tal

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Lo rarifica todo

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Pero si lo odio

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Porque es injusto que se haga

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Centro de todo

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Es decir, que se haga sujeto de la frase

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Si lo odio

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Porque es injusto que se haga

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Lo odiaré siempre

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Siempre porque naturalmente la segunda parte es

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No puedo hablar sin utilizar

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Los pronombres personales

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Que son artificios

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Que distorsionan todo lo que toca

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En una palabra

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El yo

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Tiene dos polígrafos

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Es injusto en sí

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Es decir, es injusto en lo que es

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El polo de construcción de la realidad

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centro de todo

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que é a condición do lenguaje

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que articula todo

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aspecto menor, pero

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ligado ao primeiro

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é incómodo aos outros

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na medida en que busca

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someterse

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someterse por o procedimiento que sea

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bondadoso, malvado

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dulce, violento

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exactamente igual

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el acto

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la estrategia de incorporación

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del otro a mi

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esto es siempre

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necesariamente una estrategia de dominio

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y de ahí que naturalmente

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la frase

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acabe con una referencia de orden bélica

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efectivamente

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de lo que estamos hablando es de una guerra

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car xa que moi

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é o enemigo

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ser o tirano

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de todos os outros

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porque cada chute

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é o enemigo

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o tirano

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vou soltar un pouco o texto

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porque quero que me quede o tempo para ver o segundo

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pasaje

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se tras o pronombre non hai nada

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sustantivo

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o que si hai

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o coágulo de imágenes

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hipercodificado

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en el cual el yo

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se desenvuelve

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sin conflicto

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que cuando decimos yo

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más allá

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artificio enunciativo

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cuando decimos yo

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fingiéndole

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identidad

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lo que estamos estructurando es un sistema

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de disfrazas

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como dixía na terminología de Nicol

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un artificio de teatro

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o problema é se realmente

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en lo que concierne a realidad mundana

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se pode operar de outro modo

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que non seja

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o do teatro

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pequeno e rapidísimo paréntesis

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ayer estábamos

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algunos de los aquí presentes

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asistindo a la presentación

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de Matroz

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de Mila

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que narra

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os cuatro anos de supervivencia

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en un horno crematorio

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en Auschwitz

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narra a siguiente historia

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que eu já relacía

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porque aparecen xoa, pero que é eficiente

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volver a verla

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é moi espectacular

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de como se consigue

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facer funcionar

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as cámaras de gas

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de un modo eficiente

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unha non se dá conta

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o programa técnico que é tener que producir

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un número moi alto

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o que é a cifra de cadáveres diarios

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un número moi elevado

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de cadáveres diarios

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digamos, é este que é a industria

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é a cadena

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de producción de cadáveres

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o primeiro problema que se plantea

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os primeiros trenes que chegan

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se les dice

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se les desnuda

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se les mete en la cámara de gas

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se les gasea

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e a condición

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nisiquera se pensa en desnudar

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segun chegan se les va metendo

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allí dentro

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lo cual é un follón de narices

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porque a gente se resiste

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porque aquello retrasa o proceso moitísimo

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e o proceso de producción

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de cada vez al día se bloquea

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a continuación se pensa

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que é mellor desnudarlos antes porque a roupa

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hai que reciclarla

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e naturalmente cando os varones con a gente

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morta de hambre chega a Auschwitz

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cando dicen a las mujeres

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que se teñen que desnudar allí antes de entrar

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e ao mesmo tempo

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aos varones igualmente

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se crean

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unhas tensións

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espantosas, unhas violencias espantosas

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que impiden que o ritmo

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de entrada se mantenga

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finalmente se encuentra, que é o que se encuentra?

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como estaba describiendo Fernando Palmero ayer

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era exactamente el teatro, la escena

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lo que se encuentra es la construcción de una escena

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una escena en la cual

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el que llega a Auschwitz

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lo que se le dice es que ha llegado

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a un campo de internamiento

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un lugar de internamiento

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que viene de un tren que ha atravesado

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en algunos casos toda Europa

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durante días sin comer y sin beber

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y que se les va a pasar

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inmediatamente al comedor

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para que puedan alimentarse

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pero que en el estado de higiene

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en el que llegan no se puede pasar a un comedor

284
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y que por lo tanto hay que pasar

285
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previamente por las duchas

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inmediatamente después de las cuales

287
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se les proporcionará ropa limpia

288
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y una taza de té

289
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se acabó el conflicto

290
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la gente se coloca precisamente encima

291
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y va entrando impecablemente

292
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a partir de ese momento el ritmo

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el cronometraje

294
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de las líneas

295
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estamos en un caso diferente

296
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pero es un caso de escena

297
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es escena

298
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Pero bueno, eso que se dá

299
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En las situaciones límites

300
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Y quiero coger ese ejemplo

301
00:13:24,250 --> 00:13:25,529
Porque efectivamente no piensen ustedes

302
00:13:25,529 --> 00:13:27,690
Que la escena se dá en cuestiones

303
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Tontas o triviales

304
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No, la escena rige

305
00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:33,129
Todos los comportamientos humanos

306
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Y cuanto más extremos son

307
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Más importante es que la escena

308
00:13:37,230 --> 00:13:38,490
La remueve

309
00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:56,870
El hombre no es más que disfraz

310
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Toda la cara

311
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Pascal se refiere por ejemplo

312
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algo que ya en el XVII

313
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está muy tipificado

314
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incluso llegase a ser muy pintoresco

315
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el uso de los

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de los ropajes

317
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y las máscaras

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en determinados oficios

319
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si ustedes han visto

320
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alguna de las grandes películas

321
00:14:29,179 --> 00:14:33,340
de Tabernier

322
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concretamente la que

323
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se refiere al periodo de la

324
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regencia

325
00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:45,840
Tiene unha escena de médicos

326
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Al inicio mesmo da película

327
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Que claro, que non conozca ese mundo

328
00:14:50,580 --> 00:14:52,080
Pode pensar que é unha criatura

329
00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:52,960
Ou que é unha broma

330
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Non é unha broma

331
00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:57,879
Os disfrazes dos cirujanos

332
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Unha especie de picos de pájaro

333
00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,000
Todo isto está completamente

334
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Era parte esencial

335
00:15:03,139 --> 00:15:05,320
Como se que se

336
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O médico que le recibe

337
00:15:09,419 --> 00:15:10,860
con el estetoscopio colgado

338
00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:13,320
ese estetoscopio probablemente no lo vaya a utilizar

339
00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:13,840
en todo el día

340
00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,840
es parte del uniforme

341
00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:17,820
y punto

342
00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:20,340
Pascal lo dice con mucha desgracia

343
00:15:20,340 --> 00:15:21,679
en algún pasaje de los pensamientos

344
00:15:21,679 --> 00:15:25,080
¿quién demonios iba a permitir

345
00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,360
que un médico lo hiciera?

346
00:15:27,259 --> 00:15:28,379
las barbaridades

347
00:15:28,379 --> 00:15:30,460
que le soportamos a un médico

348
00:15:30,460 --> 00:15:33,139
si no compareciese ante nosotros

349
00:15:33,139 --> 00:15:35,299
con su máscara

350
00:15:35,299 --> 00:15:36,559
su hábito

351
00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:39,299
todo aquello que lo situase

352
00:15:39,419 --> 00:15:42,500
en un espacio simbólico

353
00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:43,500
incuestionable

354
00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:46,120
é exactamente o mesmo

355
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,779
tal dos dos ejemplos

356
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simultaneamente, é exactamente o mesmo

357
00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:50,879
con os jueces

358
00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:52,580
de que?

359
00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,240
le íbamos a permitir a un buen señor

360
00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,940
que decida sobre a nosa vida

361
00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:00,580
se non fuera porque

362
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aparece

363
00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,139
revestido de todas

364
00:16:04,139 --> 00:16:06,820
las, todos los propajes

365
00:16:06,820 --> 00:16:09,000
que lo consagran

366
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,080
como sujeto

367
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,519
sacralmente

368
00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:13,820
en vestido de santista

369
00:16:13,820 --> 00:16:16,240
de unha a outra moda

370
00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,580
eso sucede en todas

371
00:16:18,580 --> 00:16:20,399
as actividades humanas, en todas

372
00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:22,700
a veces con uniformes moi explícitos

373
00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,100
en outras con uniformes menos explícitos

374
00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:26,940
pero incluso

375
00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:28,039
a presencia de uniforme

376
00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:30,240
que é unha función de uniformidade

377
00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,340
fantástica

378
00:16:32,340 --> 00:16:40,450
políticos saben perfectamente

379
00:16:40,450 --> 00:16:42,029
que cando se está facendo unha campaña electoral

380
00:16:42,029 --> 00:16:43,090
o primero que les dice

381
00:16:43,090 --> 00:16:45,830
o técnico de información

382
00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:46,970
é que non cambie de traje

383
00:16:46,970 --> 00:16:51,700
no caso, que tenga media docena de trajes idénticos

384
00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:53,200
de tal modo que

385
00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,539
o reconocimento

386
00:16:54,539 --> 00:16:57,340
se produzca de un modo automático

387
00:16:57,860 --> 00:17:01,279
o que genera a quiescencia

388
00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:03,159
non é

389
00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:05,240
realidade de ningún tipo

390
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,019
é a máscara

391
00:17:07,019 --> 00:17:13,150
é aquello

392
00:17:13,150 --> 00:17:14,269
en función do qual

393
00:17:14,269 --> 00:17:15,910
está configurada

394
00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:24,720
se pode chegar ao infantilismo

395
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:25,720
deste país onde

396
00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,019
para identificar a un dirigente político

397
00:17:29,019 --> 00:17:31,970
se pode

398
00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:34,230
é unha caricatura

399
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:38,450
de unha subida

400
00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:39,970
pero o principio

401
00:17:39,970 --> 00:17:43,009
de que nadie presta

402
00:17:43,009 --> 00:17:44,210
aquí esta figura

403
00:17:44,210 --> 00:17:45,910
a un individuo

404
00:17:45,910 --> 00:17:49,250
sino a un arquetipo

405
00:17:49,250 --> 00:17:51,029
e que o arquetipo non é

406
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:52,869
máis que un disfraz

407
00:17:52,869 --> 00:17:53,569
codificado

408
00:17:53,569 --> 00:17:56,069
é absolutamente esencial

409
00:17:56,069 --> 00:17:58,549
e, por tanto, todos os grandes

410
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:59,450
del XVII

411
00:17:59,450 --> 00:18:01,450
lo han vivido

412
00:18:01,450 --> 00:18:03,349
de un modo máis ou menos radical

413
00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:04,910
a cae pascal é a brutalidade

414
00:18:04,910 --> 00:18:06,509
o que é o que é

415
00:18:06,509 --> 00:18:11,059
o hombre non é máis que disfraz

416
00:18:11,059 --> 00:18:15,079
nada máis que mentira

417
00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:16,180
e hipocresía

418
00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:18,839
tanto en sí mesmo

419
00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:20,799
como respecto dos outros

420
00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:22,440
e é que isto seguimos a estar

421
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,339
en igual respecto aos outros

422
00:18:23,339 --> 00:18:26,980
recorda o que veíamos con o famoso náufrago

423
00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:30,519
A mi me trae sempre na cabeça

424
00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:34,589
A anécdota

425
00:18:34,589 --> 00:18:36,829
Del viejo Borges

426
00:18:36,829 --> 00:18:38,569
Que está paseando por Buenos Aires

427
00:18:38,569 --> 00:18:40,049
E se le cruza un admirador

428
00:18:40,049 --> 00:18:43,029
Ah, vostedes Borges, vostedes Borges

429
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:44,529
E o Borges se queda no mundo e dice

430
00:18:44,529 --> 00:18:46,650
Hombre, algunas veces

431
00:18:46,650 --> 00:18:49,049
Pois eso, algunas veces

432
00:18:49,049 --> 00:18:52,299
Lo tremendo é que

433
00:18:52,299 --> 00:18:54,900
Todos jugamos

434
00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:57,599
A creernos que somos

435
00:18:57,599 --> 00:19:01,880
mientras eso sea simplemente un juego

436
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,559
no hay peligro

437
00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,480
sigamos leyendo un juego

438
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,099
saben ustedes la butad

439
00:19:07,099 --> 00:19:09,420
que solía

440
00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:11,880
decir en clase

441
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,160
Jacques Lacan

442
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,220
que es el gran renovador del psicoanálisis

443
00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:18,079
en la segunda mitad del siglo XX

444
00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:20,619
en sus clases sobre la psicosis

445
00:19:20,619 --> 00:19:21,259
siempre decían

446
00:19:21,259 --> 00:19:23,740
no se piensen ustedes jamás

447
00:19:23,740 --> 00:19:25,779
que un psicótico

448
00:19:25,779 --> 00:19:27,700
es un señor que se cree Napoleón

449
00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:29,839
Un psicótico

450
00:19:29,839 --> 00:19:31,500
É un señor que se cree

451
00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:32,460
Ele mesmo

452
00:19:32,460 --> 00:19:34,640
Eso se titula

453
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,700
Eso se titula psicosis

454
00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:39,759
A confusión do pronome

455
00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:41,380
Con a sustancia

456
00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:43,799
Eu sou

457
00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:46,160
Uff, pois como usted sea

458
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,220
Espero un momentito que eu salgo correndo

459
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:57,970
Conclusión

460
00:19:57,970 --> 00:20:00,549
De Pascal

461
00:20:00,549 --> 00:20:03,730
Pois que a ficción do eu

462
00:20:03,730 --> 00:20:05,250
É prácticamente inevitável

463
00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:07,009
estamos con el propio lenguaje

464
00:20:07,009 --> 00:20:09,769
nos impone

465
00:20:09,769 --> 00:20:10,490
su presencia

466
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:12,990
cuestionemosla

467
00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:14,170
de un modo continuo

468
00:20:14,170 --> 00:20:15,089
y sobre todo

469
00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:18,769
evitemos que nadie se la crea

470
00:20:18,769 --> 00:20:20,470
es eso, el divorcio

471
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:21,130
el divorcio

472
00:20:21,130 --> 00:20:27,180
es injusto

473
00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:31,740
que nadie se apegue a mi

474
00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:35,900
aunque lo haga

475
00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:37,539
con placer y voluntariamente

476
00:20:37,539 --> 00:20:42,960
engañaré

477
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,539
áquellos

478
00:20:44,539 --> 00:20:47,000
en quenes haga

479
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,099
nacer

480
00:20:48,099 --> 00:20:51,200
o deseo

481
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,680
de ellos, o deseo de apegarse.

482
00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:55,819
Porque

483
00:20:55,819 --> 00:21:00,000
non soy o fin

484
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,839
de nadie

485
00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:04,380
e non teño con que satisfazerlo para poder ser o fin

486
00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:06,099
de alguien. Habría que tener

487
00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:06,720
entidade.

488
00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:09,819
E tan solo tiene Dios.

489
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,619
Que demonios

490
00:21:12,619 --> 00:21:14,539
hago con alguien

491
00:21:14,539 --> 00:21:23,619
en quen é favorecido

492
00:21:23,619 --> 00:21:27,750
a fantasía

493
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:30,769
de un acceso

494
00:21:30,769 --> 00:21:35,900
non hai acceso

495
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:43,170
non hai acceso porque non hai o eu

496
00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:45,289
ao qual o outro dice amar

497
00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:46,730
non hai o outro

498
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:49,150
por o qual o eu dice

499
00:21:49,150 --> 00:21:50,170
facerse amar

500
00:21:50,170 --> 00:21:57,970
é injusto que

501
00:21:57,970 --> 00:22:00,049
se atreguen a mi

502
00:22:00,049 --> 00:22:03,309
ou cando se haga con placer e voluntariamente

503
00:22:03,309 --> 00:22:05,109
engañar

504
00:22:05,109 --> 00:22:07,109
aquellos en que hagan hacer

505
00:22:07,109 --> 00:22:07,970
tal deseo

506
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:11,130
porque non soy

507
00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:12,349
el fin de nadie

508
00:22:12,349 --> 00:22:15,150
e non tengo

509
00:22:15,150 --> 00:22:16,609
con que satisfacernos

510
00:22:16,609 --> 00:22:19,190
con que va a satisfacer

511
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:20,609
a nadie un pronombre personal

512
00:22:20,609 --> 00:22:24,619
que é

513
00:22:24,619 --> 00:22:27,180
lo único que hai cando digo yo

514
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,829
lo demás

515
00:22:29,829 --> 00:22:32,890
é un permanente tránsito

516
00:22:32,890 --> 00:22:33,410
en el tiempo.

517
00:22:39,539 --> 00:22:40,900
Soy un fuí y un ser.

518
00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:42,279
Pero no soy un fuí y un ser.

519
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,200
No es casa.

520
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:47,619
¿Estoy acaso

521
00:22:47,619 --> 00:22:49,720
en disposición de morir?

522
00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:54,160
De tal modo que su apego

523
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,329
morirá.

524
00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:03,359
Y así pues,

525
00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:05,380
como seré culpable

526
00:23:05,380 --> 00:23:07,099
por hacer creer

527
00:23:07,099 --> 00:23:08,779
una falsedad, una mientidad,

528
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:10,700
aunque

529
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:13,259
esa persuasión se efectúe con dulzura,

530
00:23:13,539 --> 00:23:16,480
y sea creída con placer

531
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,480
y aun cuando

532
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,839
eso me produjese placer a mí

533
00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:26,380
sería exactamente igual

534
00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:28,400
de culpable por hacerme amar

535
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,079
es decir, por permitir

536
00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:31,380
que se proyecte

537
00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:34,019
una búsqueda de sustantividad

538
00:23:34,019 --> 00:23:40,059
y se atraigo las gentes

539
00:23:40,059 --> 00:23:42,779
a mirarse a mí

540
00:23:42,779 --> 00:23:45,059
ou apegarse a mi

541
00:23:45,059 --> 00:23:47,740
debo advertir

542
00:23:47,740 --> 00:23:53,339
a cuantos estuvieran dispuestos a consentir

543
00:23:53,339 --> 00:23:54,480
en tal mentira

544
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,980
que non deben creerla

545
00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:00,740
por máis ventajas que para mi tenga

546
00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:01,740
en que la cree

547
00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:04,519
e do mesmo modo

548
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:08,140
que non deben apegarse a mi

549
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:12,220
puesto que é necesario que pasen

550
00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:13,400
a súa vida

551
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,200
e aos seus cuidados

552
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,859
en agradar a Deus

553
00:24:16,859 --> 00:24:18,119
que é ese sí que é mentira

554
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,799
que pasen a súa vida

555
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:25,359
e aos seus cuidados

556
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,079
agradando

557
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:29,539
a Deus

558
00:24:29,539 --> 00:24:31,200
o vos tatuai

559
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,730
fin do discurso sobre o yo

560
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:38,569
busquemos agora

561
00:24:38,569 --> 00:24:41,309
completarlo con o discurso

562
00:24:41,309 --> 00:24:42,750
sobre a imaginación

563
00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:44,750
que seria

564
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:47,890
en la numeración

565
00:24:47,890 --> 00:24:49,549
Martinou

566
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:53,289
el discurso 14

567
00:24:53,289 --> 00:24:55,970
acerca de la imaginación

568
00:24:55,970 --> 00:25:05,500
en este caso é moito máis fácil de reconstruir

569
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:08,059
porque está construído

570
00:25:08,059 --> 00:25:10,640
el discurso de la imaginación

571
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,519
en su casi totalidad

572
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:13,759
está

573
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:15,119
abarca

574
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,900
el pasaje

575
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:21,279
L44-B82

576
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,000
L44-B82

577
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,480
pero se puede completar

578
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,140
vamos, y se debe completar

579
00:25:29,140 --> 00:25:32,140
con L45-B83

580
00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:38,619
L48-B366

581
00:25:38,619 --> 00:25:42,559
L25-B366

582
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:43,920
L25-B366

583
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:52,470
O discurso da imaginación

584
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:55,869
Por iso les unido os dois textos

585
00:25:55,869 --> 00:25:59,210
Completa a caracterización

586
00:25:59,210 --> 00:26:00,589
Del yo

587
00:26:00,589 --> 00:26:05,390
Como

588
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:10,460
Suplantación sustantiva

589
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:12,880
De lo que non tene máis que a realidade

590
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,500
Sobre esa realidad

591
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:18,019
Verdad

592
00:26:18,019 --> 00:26:20,500
Lo que facemos é

593
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:21,359
Anudar

594
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,460
Unha red de imagens

595
00:26:24,460 --> 00:26:27,140
Unha red de representaciones

596
00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:29,519
Unha red de ilusiones

597
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,519
E iso nos permite

598
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:34,400
O doble juego

599
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:41,150
De dar estructura armónica

600
00:26:41,150 --> 00:26:43,170
Ás cousas

601
00:26:43,170 --> 00:26:45,390
Ao mesmo tempo

602
00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:45,750
Que

603
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:48,450
Construímos

604
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:50,109
Estructura armónica

605
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:51,970
En esa ficción chamada

606
00:26:51,970 --> 00:26:52,450
Yo

607
00:26:52,450 --> 00:26:55,410
A imaginación

608
00:26:55,410 --> 00:26:59,049
É

609
00:26:59,049 --> 00:27:06,569
la red representativa

610
00:27:06,569 --> 00:27:12,700
que introduce

611
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:13,980
el sentido

612
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:20,710
como

613
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:23,789
la suposición de una

614
00:27:23,789 --> 00:27:26,369
armonía en las cosas que se ajustaría

615
00:27:26,369 --> 00:27:31,930
al deseo

616
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:34,170
del que habla de ellas

617
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:47,200
en algún momento en clase

618
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,299
cuando hablábamos

619
00:27:48,299 --> 00:27:51,559
del relato del náufrago

620
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,119
les indicaba que

621
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,500
esa intuición

622
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:58,079
de

623
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,140
la imaginación

624
00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:02,799
como constructora de mundo

625
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,519
está en todo

626
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,920
en toda la literatura europea

627
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,420
de los siglos XVI y XVII

628
00:28:10,420 --> 00:28:13,500
pero que no necesariamente

629
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:14,619
hay que buscar una

630
00:28:14,619 --> 00:28:16,519
filiación directa

631
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,119
realmente es una

632
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,339
idea ambiental

633
00:28:20,339 --> 00:28:22,180
buena parte

634
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:23,559
ya también es indicada que

635
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:25,660
está muy en el punto de afranco

636
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:27,059
sobre todo no aspecto teatral

637
00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:29,220
de la metáfora

638
00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:32,940
les recuerdo ahora nuevamente

639
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:35,000
puesto que nos va a venir nuevamente a la cabeza

640
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,079
que, pese a lo que pueda

641
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:38,180
parecer

642
00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:40,539
el relato

643
00:28:40,539 --> 00:28:43,279
de próspero en la tempestad

644
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:44,799
no puede haber sido conocido

645
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:45,900
como el de Pascal

646
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:50,930
los autores, todos ellos reproduzcan

647
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:52,849
relatos

648
00:28:52,849 --> 00:28:54,650
muy, muy, muy similares

649
00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:58,309
Shakespeare no es conocido

650
00:28:58,309 --> 00:29:00,329
en Francia hasta

651
00:29:00,329 --> 00:29:02,390
yo creo que hasta el XVIII

652
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:04,730
pero es igual

653
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:06,150
eso no es una cuestión personal

654
00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:08,509
cuando próspero

655
00:29:08,509 --> 00:29:12,349
cuando próspero

656
00:29:12,349 --> 00:29:14,109
hacia el final de la tempestad

657
00:29:14,109 --> 00:29:21,500
su discurso de desaparición

658
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:26,900
gran artefacto

659
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:28,519
puesto en piedra de su magia

660
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:40,000
estos sueños

661
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,019
llegan a su fin

662
00:29:41,019 --> 00:29:45,279
os palacios

663
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,099
fantásticos

664
00:29:47,099 --> 00:29:48,480
das altas torres

665
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,319
que se desmoronarán

666
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:51,920
no aire

667
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,420
no aire tenue

668
00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:58,940
e acaba con a fórmula

669
00:29:58,940 --> 00:30:01,160
que de algún modo se convierte en a fórmula canónica

670
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240
da configuración

671
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,200
do imaginario

672
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,940
nos siglos XVI e XVII

673
00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:08,680
estamos

674
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,519
estamos

675
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,339
tejidos

676
00:30:12,339 --> 00:30:14,680
na materia dos sonhos

677
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,980
e toda a musicalidade

678
00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:17,700
escurre

679
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:20,740
nun solo letado

680
00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:24,190
xa é que está a ver

681
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,049
a forma perfecta

682
00:30:26,049 --> 00:30:26,869
a forma literaria

683
00:30:26,869 --> 00:30:29,089
grandiosa

684
00:30:29,089 --> 00:30:30,089
algo que é unha

685
00:30:30,089 --> 00:30:33,769
intuición, unha sospecha

686
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:34,910
de época

687
00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:36,470
na que

688
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:40,309
a imaginación

689
00:30:40,309 --> 00:30:43,549
constitúe

690
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:44,210
esa

691
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:46,750
forza

692
00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:50,910
originaria

693
00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:57,200
que non só non é

694
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,730
fruto da subjetividade humana

695
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:07,630
sino que é sugestora

696
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:12,309
a subjetividade humana non é máis

697
00:31:12,309 --> 00:31:16,089
que un entrecruzamento

698
00:31:16,089 --> 00:31:18,730
efímero de imágenes

699
00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:21,890
imágenes

700
00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:37,059
de imaginación

701
00:31:37,059 --> 00:31:42,279
é esta parte

702
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,319
dominante do hombre

703
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:50,420
este amo

704
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:52,539
de error

705
00:31:52,539 --> 00:31:56,099
esta ama

706
00:31:56,099 --> 00:31:58,539
esta ama de error

707
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:59,980
falsedad

708
00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:07,579
e tanto máis engañosa

709
00:32:07,579 --> 00:32:11,059
quanto que non sempre lo é

710
00:32:11,059 --> 00:32:18,349
porque seria regla infalible

711
00:32:18,349 --> 00:32:19,009
de la verdad

712
00:32:19,009 --> 00:32:22,349
se fuera regla infalible

713
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:23,609
de mentira

714
00:32:23,609 --> 00:32:26,170
o problema da imaginación

715
00:32:26,170 --> 00:32:27,190
é que non pega

716
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:28,690
ni no ámbito da verdad

717
00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:29,990
ni no ámbito da mentira

718
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:32,849
pega un ámbito

719
00:32:32,849 --> 00:32:35,210
en o que as representaciones

720
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:38,569
se estructuran entre sí

721
00:32:38,569 --> 00:32:40,509
conforme

722
00:32:40,509 --> 00:32:42,549
as asociaciones

723
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:44,390
de deseo e memoria

724
00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:48,769
que non pertenecen ao ámbito da razón

725
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:54,039
se estuviéramos no ámbito da polirracionalidade

726
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,680
fantástico

727
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,210
podría, se supiéramos

728
00:33:00,210 --> 00:33:02,329
se dispusiéramos de algo

729
00:33:02,329 --> 00:33:04,029
que mentiera sempre

730
00:33:04,029 --> 00:33:06,269
non habría

731
00:33:06,269 --> 00:33:07,950
o mellor criterio de verdade que ese

732
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:10,750
o criterio de veracidade

733
00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:12,630
absoluta

734
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:14,769
a imaginación é que non é verdadeira e falsa

735
00:33:14,769 --> 00:33:15,829
por iso non se pode valorar

736
00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:18,390
é un dato constituyente

737
00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:19,369
Ustedes non poden dicir

738
00:33:19,369 --> 00:33:22,690
O sujeito pode situarse ao marxen da imaginación

739
00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:23,410
Fuera da imaginación

740
00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:27,049
Non, o sujeito é o cruzo da imaginación

741
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:29,450
E nese cruzo da imaginación

742
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:33,490
O esforzo do análisis

743
00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:35,710
Racional

744
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:37,569
O matemático

745
00:33:37,569 --> 00:33:39,809
Está en acotar

746
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:41,789
Zonas

747
00:33:41,789 --> 00:33:43,970
Limitadísimas

748
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:45,529
Nas cuales

749
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:47,549
As imágenes poden ser acumuladas

750
00:33:47,549 --> 00:33:49,670
As imágenes geométricas, por exemplo

751
00:33:49,670 --> 00:33:53,319
E iso é un campo mínimo

752
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:57,839
En a medida en que, por lo demás

753
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,559
As imágenes están asociadas ao lenguaje

754
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:04,740
Non hai un solo aspecto

755
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:05,440
De nosa vida

756
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,760
Que se sustraiga por completo

757
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,079
Ao ámbito do imaginario

758
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:17,889
Desde perspectivas absolutamente contrapuestas

759
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:19,849
En moitos aspectos

760
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:21,829
Sin embargo, no concepto de base

761
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:23,489
idéntica a formulación

762
00:34:23,489 --> 00:34:24,809
que encontrarán ustedes en Pascal

763
00:34:24,809 --> 00:34:27,349
e en Spikosan, os dos probablemente

764
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:29,909
máis grandes teóricos

765
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:31,230
de lo imaginario

766
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:33,190
en el siglo XVII

767
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:38,389
é que se nosa

768
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:39,010
desde

769
00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:42,469
el intelecto

770
00:34:42,469 --> 00:34:43,409
e as inundaciones

771
00:34:43,409 --> 00:34:45,510
onde aparece a fórmula

772
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:54,599
a imaginación

773
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,420
é tanto máis

774
00:34:58,420 --> 00:35:01,530
dificultosa

775
00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:03,010
de delimitar

776
00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:04,969
cuanto que

777
00:35:04,969 --> 00:35:07,710
está identificada

778
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:10,989
con a estructura mesma da lengua

779
00:35:10,989 --> 00:35:16,539
eso é o que diferencia

780
00:35:16,539 --> 00:35:17,920
se é unha lengua natural

781
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,000
de unha lengua artificial

782
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,840
de unha lengua científica de cualquier tipo

783
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,800
nosotros

784
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,360
hablamos

785
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,019
desde sintaxis

786
00:35:27,019 --> 00:35:29,840
máis ou menos bien construída

787
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,599
máis ou menos complexa

788
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:41,829
e con un léxico

789
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:43,090
progresivamente

790
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:44,809
empobrecido

791
00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:46,989
pero

792
00:35:46,989 --> 00:35:48,989
basicamente nosotros hablamos

793
00:35:48,989 --> 00:35:50,469
con

794
00:35:50,469 --> 00:35:56,820
grandes comodines de imágenes

795
00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:59,679
que cristalizan

796
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,199
en palabras

797
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,960
que por si só

798
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,539
funcionan como piedades

799
00:36:07,539 --> 00:36:13,329
les dou un exemplo que é moi claro

800
00:36:13,329 --> 00:36:15,210
en Spinoza

801
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:16,989
non é o básico

802
00:36:16,989 --> 00:36:19,269
é un exemplo particularmente claro

803
00:36:19,269 --> 00:36:20,489
o uso

804
00:36:20,489 --> 00:36:26,159
o uso da partícula final

805
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:26,820
para

806
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:32,420
todos utilizamos iso como se fose unha perna

807
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:38,829
bueno, pois

808
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:42,530
teño aquí un par de pernas

809
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:43,670
para poder

810
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:46,210
andar por el aula

811
00:36:46,210 --> 00:36:49,929
Tengo un par de oxos para poder mirar

812
00:36:49,929 --> 00:36:55,010
Tengo unhas manos para poder agarrar un libro

813
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:58,860
Un boleto, un termo

814
00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:00,380
Que demonios estamos dicendo

815
00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:03,800
Cando dicemos iso?

816
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:05,739
Es que non se dice iso moi ben

817
00:37:05,739 --> 00:37:08,079
No apéndice da parte general da ética

818
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:09,500
Non estamos dicendo nada

819
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:11,960
Rigurosamente nada

820
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,190
Se queremos dicir o que estamos facendo

821
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:16,989
Diremos

822
00:37:16,989 --> 00:37:21,010
Yo ando porque tenho un par de piernas

823
00:37:21,010 --> 00:37:24,130
yo cojo la botella

824
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:24,909
porque tengo

825
00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:28,849
unha funcional para hacerlo

826
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:33,820
yo les veo porque

827
00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:35,800
mis ojos tienen un funcionamiento

828
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,320
adecuado para

829
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,880
coger

830
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,679
cual é a diferencia en decir

831
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:47,079
yo hago isto porque

832
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,679
o yo

833
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:53,119
dispongo de tal facultad para

834
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,920
solamente que estamos

835
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,940
subiendo unha finalidade

836
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:58,679
que demonios

837
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:00,000
Dicen ustedes

838
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Cando dicen

839
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,699
O pájaro

840
00:38:02,699 --> 00:38:04,920
Tiene alas para volar

841
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,699
Non, toque as narices

842
00:38:06,699 --> 00:38:09,420
O pájaro vuela porque tiene alas

843
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:11,079
Pero se o que usted está dicendo

844
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,699
É o pájaro

845
00:38:14,699 --> 00:38:16,760
Tiene alas para volar

846
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,739
E tene usted a sensatez básica

847
00:38:19,739 --> 00:38:21,599
Para pensar o que está dicendo

848
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,539
O que isto está facendo

849
00:38:23,539 --> 00:38:25,360
É atribuir a existencia

850
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,880
De, por causa final

851
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,679
de unha realidad

852
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,880
trascendente respecto

853
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,699
de la cual

854
00:38:34,699 --> 00:38:37,019
se orienta la actividad

855
00:38:37,019 --> 00:38:38,019
de ese

856
00:38:38,019 --> 00:38:40,820
espázaro

857
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:42,179
ou

858
00:38:42,179 --> 00:38:46,239
de ese individuo

859
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,840
ou de ese lo que sea

860
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,079
naturalmente que eso é inevitable

861
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:51,539
todos lo decimos

862
00:38:51,539 --> 00:38:59,699
pero decir de algo que é inevitable

863
00:38:59,699 --> 00:39:04,889
non é decir que sea verdadero

864
00:39:04,889 --> 00:39:07,110
é máis, decir de algo que é inevitable

865
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:08,949
E que seguimos diciéndolo

866
00:39:08,949 --> 00:39:10,289
A pesar de que sabemos

867
00:39:10,289 --> 00:39:11,329
Que non é

868
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:12,650
Que non dice nada

869
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:16,010
Debería ser para todos

870
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:17,190
Un motivo de meditación

871
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:21,050
O motivo de

872
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:22,789
Plantearnos por que

873
00:39:22,789 --> 00:39:25,289
A nosa consciencia

874
00:39:25,289 --> 00:39:30,079
Tiene unha tal necesidade de consuelo

875
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:30,699
É a dizer

876
00:39:30,699 --> 00:39:32,900
Unha tal necesidade

877
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,800
De ajustar todo o que le sucede

878
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,980
A finalidades

879
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:39,300
a estructuras teleológicas

880
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:42,550
o imaginario

881
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:44,469
construye

882
00:39:44,469 --> 00:39:45,489
unha maravillosa

883
00:39:45,489 --> 00:39:49,179
incluso en sus variantes de pesadilla

884
00:39:49,179 --> 00:39:50,920
pero non é menos finalístico

885
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,860
o imaginario dota sentido

886
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:55,880
a todo o que hacemos

887
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,139
e o encaja

888
00:39:59,139 --> 00:40:01,559
dentro de unha narración

889
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:03,579
orientada

890
00:40:03,579 --> 00:40:04,739
en a perspectiva

891
00:40:04,739 --> 00:40:06,280
del gran narrador

892
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:19,739
a imaginación é esta parte

893
00:40:19,739 --> 00:40:20,780
dominante

894
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:22,380
en el hombre

895
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:24,679
esta ama

896
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:25,440
ou maestra

897
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,099
de error

898
00:40:26,099 --> 00:40:27,099
e de falsedad

899
00:40:27,099 --> 00:40:30,039
tanto máis perversa

900
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:30,380
cuanto

901
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:31,699
perdón

902
00:40:31,699 --> 00:40:32,840
tanto máis engañosa

903
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,719
cuanto que non lo é

904
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:34,139
sempre

905
00:40:34,139 --> 00:40:36,179
pues de que sería

906
00:40:36,179 --> 00:40:37,420
regla infalible

907
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:38,039
de verdad

908
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:39,719
se fuera regla

909
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:40,420
infalible

910
00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:41,019
de mentira

911
00:40:41,019 --> 00:40:45,500
pero como quiera

912
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:46,440
que a maior de las veces

913
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,219
é falsa

914
00:40:47,219 --> 00:40:50,059
no, perdón

915
00:40:50,059 --> 00:40:50,800
pero

916
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,599
aun siendo

917
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,619
a maior parte das veces falsa

918
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,820
non dá

919
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:58,440
ninguna huella

920
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,840
de sú calidad

921
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,119
marcando

922
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,599
con o mesmo carácter

923
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:06,039
o verdade

924
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:10,300
e é esencial iso

925
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,239
o imaginario non é ni verdadeiro ni falso

926
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,719
é imaginario

927
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,840
e portanto

928
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,719
o que se debe exigir

929
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,320
a que trate de enfrentarse con ello

930
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,360
é sencillamente buscar

931
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,800
Cuáles son as reglas que lo componen como imaginario

932
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,199
Cuáles son as reglas que permiten

933
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,789
A Jos de Latour

934
00:41:32,789 --> 00:41:35,309
Articular los juegos de luz y sombra

935
00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:37,750
Que resultan

936
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:41,809
Gestores de unha tal fuerza

937
00:41:41,809 --> 00:41:44,250
En la mirada del sujeto que se coloca delante del cuadro

938
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:47,250
Son brederos ou falsos?

939
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:48,389
Se a mi me preguntase

940
00:41:48,389 --> 00:41:51,329
É bredero ou falso un cuadro de Jos de Latour?

941
00:41:51,329 --> 00:41:53,190
pero no estes lo mandarían

942
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:54,190
a fregar

943
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:55,869
estupideces

944
00:41:55,869 --> 00:41:58,329
están bien o mal construido

945
00:41:58,329 --> 00:42:00,369
e aí podemos

946
00:42:00,369 --> 00:42:02,650
entrar en un debate

947
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:04,269
dificilísimo para seguir

948
00:42:04,269 --> 00:42:09,179
non há reconstrucción

949
00:42:09,179 --> 00:42:10,920
de imagen verdadera ni falsa

950
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,039
sino funcional ou non funcional

951
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:16,280
funcional ou non funcional

952
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,659
nas grandes máquinas

953
00:42:21,659 --> 00:42:23,260
de introducción de consciencia de massa

954
00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:25,599
e iso chega naturalmente

955
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:26,420
á caricatura

956
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:33,239
ao extremo

957
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,300
é verdadeiro ou falso

958
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:39,789
é verdadeiro ou falso

959
00:42:39,789 --> 00:42:41,710
un informativo de televisión

960
00:42:41,710 --> 00:42:44,349
non é verdadeiro ou falso

961
00:42:44,349 --> 00:42:47,150
é unha secuencia de imágenes

962
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:48,630
que busca

963
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:50,309
a atracción da mirada

964
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:53,070
en este caso por motivos económicos

965
00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:54,030
moi ben estabelecidos

966
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:55,829
a tasa publicitaria

967
00:42:55,829 --> 00:43:00,090
Cualquiera que, se alguno de ustedes

968
00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:02,349
Ha tenido que pasar por ese medio

969
00:43:02,349 --> 00:43:04,829
Sabrá perfectamente como funciona eso

970
00:43:04,829 --> 00:43:07,809
Non se busca noticia de continuación da imagen

971
00:43:07,809 --> 00:43:09,710
Eso, quítanse todo a la cabeza

972
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:11,949
Non, un informativo de televisión, non é eso

973
00:43:11,949 --> 00:43:15,849
Primeiro se hace unha recopilación

974
00:43:15,849 --> 00:43:18,710
De cuales son as imágenes que han chegado

975
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:20,670
De agencia ou de onde sea

976
00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:22,869
Ao estudio durante as últimas horas

977
00:43:22,869 --> 00:43:25,150
se busca cual é a imagen

978
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:27,070
que pode impactar máis directamente

979
00:43:27,070 --> 00:43:27,969
ao espectador

980
00:43:27,969 --> 00:43:30,469
e a continuación se estructura o informativo

981
00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:34,610
é un caso de informativos

982
00:43:34,610 --> 00:43:37,489
inhabitualmente honestos

983
00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:39,969
porque o que máis habitualmente se hace

984
00:43:39,969 --> 00:43:40,849
é inventar a imagen

985
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:44,809
non estou a falar por hablar

986
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:47,150
eu vi como se inventaban as imágenes

987
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:49,289
en Bucarest

988
00:43:49,289 --> 00:43:50,849
en 1700

989
00:43:50,849 --> 00:43:53,309
en 1990

990
00:43:53,309 --> 00:43:58,210
en 1990

991
00:43:58,210 --> 00:44:00,929
inmediatamente despues

992
00:44:00,929 --> 00:44:02,309
do volveo de Estado

993
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:05,210
oigan

994
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:07,610
ustedes hacen unha idea

995
00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:09,550
de la fortuna que se gasta

996
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:12,610
cualquiera de las grandes cadenas mundiales

997
00:44:12,610 --> 00:44:13,590
estaban allí

998
00:44:13,590 --> 00:44:14,590
todas, todas

999
00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:18,110
ustedes saben la fortuna que supone

1000
00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:19,730
llegar a un equipo de televisión

1001
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:21,969
desde Estados Unidos, desde Londres

1002
00:44:21,969 --> 00:44:23,750
desde Madrid

1003
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:26,150
a Bucarest

1004
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:27,289
colocamos allí

1005
00:44:27,289 --> 00:44:30,170
colocamos as antenas

1006
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:31,789
en época en que non había

1007
00:44:31,789 --> 00:44:33,269
todo era marcado

1008
00:44:33,269 --> 00:44:36,210
que demonios hacen ustedes

1009
00:44:36,210 --> 00:44:37,769
se non hai noticias, se non hai nada

1010
00:44:37,769 --> 00:44:38,670
se non pasa nada

1011
00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:41,110
eu estaba allí, non pasaba nada

1012
00:44:41,110 --> 00:44:43,469
se lo inventan

1013
00:44:43,469 --> 00:44:45,469
se lo inventan, o que non pode ser

1014
00:44:45,469 --> 00:44:47,750
é que a inversión se pierda

1015
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:52,570
o único que me pasaba nunca

1016
00:44:52,570 --> 00:44:56,090
es que en el hotel intercontinental

1017
00:44:56,090 --> 00:45:01,250
eran los hoteles

1018
00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:05,159
que estaban rodando

1019
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:06,840
pero con las cadenas de transmisión

1020
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,440
que son las que tienen

1021
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,639
en torno al hotel intercontinental

1022
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,420
se produjo una especie de gran

1023
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:15,519
acampada

1024
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,920
de todos

1025
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,280
los

1026
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,880
necesitados

1027
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,219
que utilizan a palavra mesoada porque é a máscara

1028
00:45:26,219 --> 00:45:27,420
de todos os necesitados

1029
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:30,519
cada

1030
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,239
hora e media ou cada dos horas

1031
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,320
seria un señor con un taco

1032
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:36,960
de dólares

1033
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,139
o que podía ser de la BBC

1034
00:45:39,139 --> 00:45:42,139
o que podía ser de la CNN

1035
00:45:42,139 --> 00:45:44,480
o que podía ser

1036
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,000
de la FOC

1037
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,760
o que podía ser de cualquiera

1038
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,219
se iba

1039
00:45:50,219 --> 00:45:51,260
al jefe de la acampada

1040
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:53,800
que atizaba el taco

1041
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,639
de dólares

1042
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,679
e inmediatamente se anotaba a manifestación

1043
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:00,079
en torno a la cámara que estuviese colocada

1044
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:01,539
en la posición máis adecuada

1045
00:46:01,539 --> 00:46:03,840
para dar unha visión conmocionante

1046
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,539
do que sucede

1047
00:46:04,539 --> 00:46:07,219
e punto

1048
00:46:07,219 --> 00:46:08,960
é un caso límite

1049
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,719
porque naturalmente

1050
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,280
en el caso de ese tipo de situaciones

1051
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,820
a cosa chega a lo sangrante

1052
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:18,239
pero cualquier

1053
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,019
cualquier

1054
00:46:21,019 --> 00:46:21,300
cualquier

1055
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:24,360
de medios

1056
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,000
audiovisuales

1057
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,199
que haya

1058
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,159
en algún momento

1059
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:31,219
tratado de narrar

1060
00:46:31,219 --> 00:46:31,900
su historia

1061
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:34,199
como periodista

1062
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:35,360
medio de audiovisuales

1063
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:35,739
y en España

1064
00:46:35,739 --> 00:46:36,820
como lo ha hecho muy bien

1065
00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:37,739
muy bien

1066
00:46:37,739 --> 00:46:39,079
Arturo Pérez Reverto

1067
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:40,039
a contar eso

1068
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:42,820
no se hace

1069
00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:43,960
otra cosa

1070
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,030
miren

1071
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:49,349
lo que está describiendo

1072
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:50,429
el siglo XVII

1073
00:46:50,429 --> 00:46:51,570
ya sea Pascal

1074
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:54,190
ya sea Espinosa

1075
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:57,250
ya sea el padre Martín

1076
00:46:57,250 --> 00:46:57,889
de barcos

1077
00:46:57,889 --> 00:47:02,900
ya sean

1078
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:06,860
los arquitectos

1079
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:08,440
de la compañía de Jesús

1080
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,420
es algo

1081
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:13,559
que de algún modo

1082
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,199
algo que es

1083
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:16,139
nuestra prehistoria

1084
00:47:16,139 --> 00:47:18,659
el descubrimiento

1085
00:47:18,659 --> 00:47:19,039
que produce

1086
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:19,860
una fascinación

1087
00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:20,320
absoluta

1088
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:20,900
en el siglo XVII

1089
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:22,820
de que la mirada

1090
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:23,659
se puede construir

1091
00:47:23,659 --> 00:47:24,159
a la medida

1092
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:25,619
y que quien construye

1093
00:47:25,619 --> 00:47:26,039
a la mirada

1094
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:26,400
a la medida

1095
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:26,900
construye

1096
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:27,300
a la cabeza

1097
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:27,760
a la medida

1098
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,440
esa es la función

1099
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,019
de la magia

1100
00:47:30,019 --> 00:47:31,159
seguimos