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Hello everyone, how are you guys today?

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We are here for the second episode of this project podcast and we are dealing today with

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the rise of the robots.

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I'm Carlos Cid and I'm here today with Alberto Corredera.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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How are you?

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I'm Víctor Borja Martín.

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Hi.

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Okay.

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We are going to talk about many different fields related to the rise of the robots,

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such as housework, cars, space race.

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and well do you want to start with any particular point or any particular topic to deal with in this

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first block what do you guys think about the rise of the robot and the current impact as you can see

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here well i think we would like to start with a current impact or the situation right now that

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It seems to be that after the first revolution of the robots, robots today are very present

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on the news because of their advance in many, many industries like the military industry

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or, you know, in war or drones and many others.

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Sorry?

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world if military industry such as as many unfortunately we talk about war and the drones

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that we can see in the tv shows that are currently having an impact in in every war around the world

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in every world the world what do you think what do you think yes i think we've seen already

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huge impact maybe here in Europe even a little less than perhaps in America the

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US with autonomous driving for example like it seems to be the norm like I

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heard not so long ago a person that lives in San Francisco telling that is

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like taking out of a movie like how every car is driving itself in the city

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of San Francisco.

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probably we'll see more

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like that here in Europe as well.

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this

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film that we have

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in the background is

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the celebration of the new year,

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the new Chinese year.

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Yeah, Chinese New Year.

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Or the Chinese New Year

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from this 2026.

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I think it's

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everyone was amazed about,

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you know,

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what the humanoid robots achieve in terms of dancing.

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They may parkour, you know, even martial arts,

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dancing with the kids and so on.

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So it was quite a demonstration, don't you think, Carlos?

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Yeah. What do you guys think about this?

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Are you guys thrilling or afraid about this situation

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with robots currently around the world?

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Because, I don't know, would you guys fancy having these robots in our current lives, in every field, at home or at work?

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What do you guys think?

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Because as you can see here in this video, we have here in China many high-skill robots with a lot of movements, human-like movements.

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so they are perfectly developed as you can check right here what do you guys think are you guys

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thrilling with this afraid for the future first time i saw this i was a little bit scared to be

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honest because i immediately thought what what's preventing them from i don't know making an army

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of these things right then and sending them to foreign countries so i don't know but the answer

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to add is battery like right now battery is a limitation for these robots i think at most they

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can function like two or three hours it does not a problem a problem in factories maybe

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because they have their power stations where they can plug in and recharge but yeah we're

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not in danger yet i think what do you think well i'm quite a fan of the futuristic films that we

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in the past I imagine the matrix where the batteries were us the human beings so

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the machines develop a new way of turning themselves using us as energy

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well we can think about any other but the thing is nowadays these robots are programmed by us

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by humans and they are treating to imitate humans. I think we need to

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decide what we really need. I mean because if you

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have a job that is dangerous or maybe you can use a humanoid to do this

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is part of the dangerous job instead of sending a human.

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But I mean, this would be linked to the military industry

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as well.

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But I raise this subject of the race of the robots

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because it's kind of a new industrial revolution.

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Because in the past, you think about the, you know,

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machines in agriculture,

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teaching to multiply the work of the human beings

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by 10 times if you are going to plant

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or you are going to make this kind of task

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that you need to do in the field, so.

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And what about the batteries that you were talking about when we talk about war and space race for these robots?

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What about those battery challenges that we have with these robots related to the war and the space race?

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We are back in the moon right now.

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Yesterday, we had a spaceship again in the moon.

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But what about having a robot there in this space race that China, USA, and Russia has?

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What do you guys think about those battery challenges?

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Could we have an improvement for the robots and the battery in the near future to make them even more, I don't know, thrilling or scaring, as Borja said before?

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What do you guys think?

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how may what is the pace we have for the improvement of the batteries for another

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dimension mission to the moon I think the next phase is actually the playing

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robots because they want to be able to to do research in deep space and for

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that the far side of the moon is very useful because waves are not blocked by

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the earth so they want actually to deploy a net of robots that they're going to deploy and they're

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going to they want to build like an antenna like a huge antenna that can send signals to this space

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and that's next phase so i imagine if they have that planned like they have some kind of

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research going on or some kind of solution for this for this problem but if we talk about war

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because they have battery needs, of course, and they have to be able to tell apart a friend

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from foe, you know, a friend from the enemy, and that's not so easy to do.

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So apparently that's going to take longer, but right now, I don't know if you heard,

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guys but um donald trump made a deal with open ai i think and they're gonna precisely to do research

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in autonomous weapons so that's a bit scary like donald trump right now has a deal with open ai

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just to research on this what links this subject to ai i mean robots and ai because it is this

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this new hype, let's say, of the robots comes because the intelligence that can be provided

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to these robots is bigger and they can be more autonomous, especially making decisions that

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we can program by now. Do you think both are directly connected? I mean, AI with robots?

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Do you think that if we improve the AI systems, it's going to have a huge impact on robots right now?

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For instance, the battery thing.

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Once the robot is aware of itself that he needs some battery,

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He can recharge itself and even produce energy again for recharging itself.

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So, but what I mean, we have physical barriers.

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For instance, we're talking about the moon.

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There's no, you know, we can't breathe in the moon.

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We can do many other things that a robot can do.

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so uh robots are absolutely key that remember when we send the probe to mars

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and that was just a probe but uh this was um

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one of the first i was always wondering why didn't test this near in the moon

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so that we can have some more uh you know background about how they behave because

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is you know we we are insisting in mars because it's more similar to the to the earth than other

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planets but i think that the the behavior of these uh robots uh in you know in in a place where

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uh there are big barriers for the human being i think it can be tested nearby and there are

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many fields in in which we need the robots first and a space room space race

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for example is is key if we have robots over there in in in the space and many

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other fields as well as such as say I for example so we'll see we'll see what

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happened in the future with this evolution how they evolve do you want to

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comment any i i just wanted to comment that at the same time that ai is very important or key or

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compulsory for the for the robots industry i think china is very important as well

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so as we were commenting before the this recording and i think without china it can be done because

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uh maybe you you have the data right now yes i i think close to 90 percent of uh human robots sold

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in the world today are made by china uh you can see what they they can achieve in this video

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the level of coordination that they have um i think they're already a big part of the workforce

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in some countries south korea also i i just read that they have lots of robots employed in factories

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and if you think about it i think it's logical that very repetitive tasks in the end they're

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going to be especially dangerous ones they're going to be performed by these robots and we're

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going to have to adapt to that as a workforce we can talk about that later maybe in a later block

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but yeah China right now I think is leading the race as we can see

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yes okay I just wanted to mention one key part that maybe what's different now is precisely AI

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like robotics they were able to build the structure they already have the physicality

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of the road that's figured out but we didn't have the brain the difference is now we have the brain

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So the AI can analyze the surroundings, it can think, they can learn patterns,

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movement patterns, way more complex than before, just because they have these AI systems behind.

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And this is the product of a lot of simulations that AI can do.

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Yeah, but there is room for improvements and...

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Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. But what I mean is, without AI this is not possible.

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this is the accumulation of iterative learning by models that made this possible.

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Yeah, let's talk about the next block, which is educational robots, as you can check here.

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Okay. And for this second block, we are having two different videos to show how the implementation of robots in real classrooms are having a real impact on students and on teachers as well.

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And we are going to comment these videos later as well.

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volume adventure in learning with an eye toward the future robots are joining a

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Boston high school classroom it's entirely up to the students what the

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room is pretty cool so it's just the first wave of robots coming to schools

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around Boston WBC's Paula Edmond shows us in tonight's eye on education a robot

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that does its own introductions the first one at Boston's English high

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school and it's a learning tool for the school's let's go let's play both I

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thought we have it for the following well this is a unique adventure in

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learning with an eye toward the future robots are joining a Boston high school

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classroom and it's entirely up to the students what the robots can do. That's pretty cool. So

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it's just the first wave of robots coming to schools around Boston. WBC's Paula Edmond shows

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us in tonight's Eye on Education. My name is Pepper. I'm a humanoid robot and I'm 1.20 meters

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tall. A robot that does its own introduction. The first one at Boston's English High School

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and it's a learning tool for the school's computer science students pepper is a humanoid that's for

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sure pepper dances with the best of them fist bumps with a flare and plays a mean air saxophone

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and it's all because the young people here have programmed it to do all those things

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hello how are you today i'm good how are you i'm good thank you the company that makes pepper

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SoftBank Robotics is donating 50 of the robots to Boston public high schools.

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You're trying to get students interested in STEM, science, technology, engineering,

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mathematics. Pepper comes with an almost clean slate. Students do the work of

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bringing it alive. Sometimes when it talks back to you think like it's a

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person and it's comfortable because she's so friendly. Howie Horner teaches

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computer science. We have students now who are thinking about a career in

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robotics. We have students who are thinking about what it means to work

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with robots using math. Like it helps me a lot in my career and my hopes are to

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like to combine technology with medicine. And for the students who are coding and

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programming it's like yeah nailed it. I'm glad you're doing well. Have a nice day.

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new to pepper the demonstration at english high kicked off computer science week in the city

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officials hope to have these robots in all boston high schools by the end of the school year wow

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we'll check back in in a few months to find out who pepper's going to the prom with oh that too

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and i would program it to like do my homework smart thank you

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yeah we're gonna come in this one what do you guys think i feel astonished when i

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check this interaction and this cooperation among students and teachers

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with these sort of robots in classrooms, in real classrooms, because they are

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useful for such a different subject, not only in science, but also you can even

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speak with the robots in English. I'm an English teacher, so if we have a

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robot in classroom, we can have many different robots creating different

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groups to talk about any different topic with the students so it's

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thrilling the situation with the reopening classroom in the future I

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think we are not having this type of classrooms right now for every kind of

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student around the world because the investment we have to assume for or take

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over for this situation in every classroom in every high school it's huge

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and massive for the governments, but it's kind of cool to check these

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robots inside. What do you guys think? Do you think those robots can boost the

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cooperation or interaction among students and teachers? Do you think we'll

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have a robot in classroom in the future, in the near future?

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I'm not sure what to think to be honest. On the one side it's exciting, on the other side...

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I don't know. I don't know if kids are going to be that interested in robots because

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they said in the video they want to make students interested in STEM like science and math and all

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all that but the experience right now because i've been visiting schools because my son is

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starting school next year they don't seem to pay much attention to robots and they want to still do

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things by themselves by hand and they want to interact with each other but how how were those

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robots were like like these ones speaking no it's not the same but well it's still robotics you know

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like they can do they can go around the circuit maybe or you can program

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patterns of movement and it's very simple yeah maybe this will be different

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but I don't know useful but we still need teachers yeah yeah of course

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both and I we're computer science teachers and you are an English teacher

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I think it will be a big help for you because you can multiply yourself during the class and

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among different

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Why not one of them could be a one of the robots can learn

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I mean can can teach to the to the students how to make a simple circuit and the basics of

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electricity and the other I can be prepared to other experience so up maybe

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You will be happy because you don't need the teacher

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Robots as assistants like yeah for for helping me. That's that could be a huge impact. Yeah, I think so

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I'm multitasking as well

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with special needs in terms of learning.

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Because you can focus on understanding if someone has, you know, problems with hearing

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or bad and, you know, can be autistic and it can be using pictograms or things like that. So,

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you can be more focused on the student as well. So, in the future, I think that we have to find

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the correct measure between some help because we're not actually using this kind of help.

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and we have to find our our slot as teacher as well because we have to evolve as well so

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and i made more different dynamics in the classroom yeah i agree with you yeah let's

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check the the second one i had a really great instructor at my school who every year tried to

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get me interested in the robotics team and this year he says i have a student who's creating an

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all-girls team. And that really sparked my interest. Once we got the word out there,

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there were a lot of girls that came out of the woodwork and were like, hey, we want to be on

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robotics. Being an all-girls team is really, you know, empowering. It does teach you a lot and it

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makes you feel really good. And there really is that push to get more in the STEM field.

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As they're building these robots, they're really gaining their STEM skills. You know, science,

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technology, engineering, and math skills are going to last them well throughout their lifetime.

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Mechanical engineering is just one of those things that like

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it's hands-on and I'm a very hands-on person. You get to see all the knowledge that you've gained

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either online or in the classroom be put into use in real life. So in the classroom you might

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be learning about mechanics within physics but in robotics you get to actually apply that knowledge

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and you actually get to see it work for something which I think is really cool. A lot of what I've

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learned is problem solving and working through things that come at you that kind of frustrate

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you like we'll have our claw not closing properly on a robot or something will always go wrong

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before a match but it's that like perseverance to like keep fixing it and keep going that like

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makes the whole experience so great it's a really good mix between energy that comes from

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competition and cooperation because a lot of the games here they require immense teamwork a lot of

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of communication between teams that you've just met.

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It's a really great experience.

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We're going to grab one of the cubes,

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and you guys are going to grab the other.

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I think the best thing about our team

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is none of us had any experience at the beginning of the year.

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And so just being able to bounce ideas off of each other,

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we're all there to support each other.

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Just having those STEM opportunities

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and bringing that moment to life for someone

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can continue them on that pathway

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and encourage them in a future career field.

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Here we have another different situation which high school students are like

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building and coding different robots to compete in a showdown, a fighting robot

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showdown. So what do you guys think about it? Because how could robots improve the

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situation among, for example, we as teachers and the proper students. Do you

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think there is a way to have the three of us inside a classroom and we can have

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an average of collaboration among all of us to improve, to learn better? What do

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you guys think? Or do you think that in the future we'll only have robots

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like teaching inside the classroom and we are not necessary for for that what

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do you think about the video about this situation among these three parts about

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the video I have to say that I agree 100% what the students are saying because

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one thing robotics has for computer science you can actually see in the

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world you have the direct feedback with what you build and that's really

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engaging. And it really teaches problem-solving, like one of the

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students was saying that maybe a claw doesn't close properly, so you have to

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figure out how to fix that. And when you fix that, you see it in the real world,

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and that's really motivating. So robotics are a great way to get students in

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competition areas problem-solving and all those skills. It was one of the best subjects I did

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back to college. I could build a robot that had to go around the circuit and crash.

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And it was one of the best experiences I've had. So I think it's because of this

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direct feedback between real world and what you just did on the computer.

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Well, what I see from this last video is that in this case the robotics is the

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media is the tool you use to develop your skills. So, as Borja said, you have to have

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the vision to foresee what will be the difficulties and try to solve in advance all the problems

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you are going to find especially i i have made myself some this kind of uh um contest or fights

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between robots and it's on one hand is it's very funny it's you have fun uh with that and

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it is a question of strategy as well because you have to balance because every normally all the

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teams has more or less set the same resources for to build the same robot but but the robot itself

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is is your product is is not uh the one who is teaching you so they of course is very important

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and it can be as you mentioned you can mix different um skills or skills with different

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And you can use mathematics in the thinking or even motivation, competencies.

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That's the word I was looking for.

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So, yeah, here we have so many different skills that children develop thanks to educational robot.

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And for the Fighting Robot Showdown, I think, for example, creativity and imagination, proactive spirit, teamwork, critical thinking over there are key for this video we have checked.

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And we can improve with the students those competencies and those skills with the help of the robots.

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or building or coding robots to create a fighting showdown

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or whatever you want to code or build.

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So there are many, many rooms for improvement

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in many different fields, as you can check here.

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I don't know if all of them that we have here,

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I don't know if, for example, self-esteem,

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you can improve, well, maybe you can improve your self-esteem

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when you are building or

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cooperating with other

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students. It's a good feeling when you build

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something that works.

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If it works, indeed.

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No, but in the end it works.

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You just work on it, you

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put your time and then it works

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and it feels great.

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That's the thing about

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robotics and computer science.

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When you solve something that's complex,

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you feel great about it afterwards.

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So, yeah.

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yeah you can take that and put it in many other fields as well yeah you you learn from mistakes

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you solve these problems and then i mean this this feeling of uh you know

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absolutely uh uh reaching the goal or uh achieving the goal that you

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uh have them from the very beginning or even i mean it's the best way of of learning something

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Just understanding what is wrong.

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Practical way, yeah.

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I agree with that, yeah.

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Definitely, yes.

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Well, that's all for the second block of education.

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Yes, let's move to the third part, which is employment and future.

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Jobs in general.

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What do you guys think about the, I don't know,

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implementation of robots in every kind of job or work that we have now?

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in every sector, in every factory or whatever, the school, what do you guys

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think about the implementation of robots? Do you think we need to focus these

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points in the future, in the long future, near future? What do you guys think? Do

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you think that the key question will robots replace us as humans in the

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future in any particular job what do you guys think well I think that almost

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everything that can be automatized you know someone like the AI or the robots

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will take place and and and and we with less error than a human so and and

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faster and so on. I think we have to change our minds about the, you know, the robots menace that

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they are going to take out our jobs and so on. Even for us teachers, we thought that this cannot

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be automatized and the truth is that it can be automatized and it can be more accurate in some

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cases but the combination i think that this is something that we need to find because uh we need

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to use these kind of tools as tools okay to improve the learning for of our students and even

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our learning because uh we have to be up to date as as the physicians and many other professions

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We have to be, especially nowadays,

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that everything is evolving and changing so fast.

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So this is more or less my view.

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Don't be too afraid to lose your job,

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but prepare for changes.

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I don't think so.

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Everything could be automatized, as you said,

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but we as teachers, I don't know,

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we and some other jobs as well,

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we need the empathy with the students

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And I don't know if a robot handling and managing one whole classroom of 30 students can have empathy with all of them and can manage the situation inside the classrooms.

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It's not only to teach English or science or math or Spanish languages to manage a classroom and have empathy with all the situation that we have in every particular student inside the room.

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What do you think, Borja?

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I think it's tricky.

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What you said, like professions that require empathy

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and require a human presence, I think

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they're going to be, quote unquote, the safest for now.

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But even in professions that demand very mechanical tasks,

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for example, they were saying x-ray technicians

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in hospitals, people who do the x-rays,

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they were going to disappear, because robots can do that

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perfectly and we don't need a human but what ended up happening is we need more technicians now

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because we can do way more x-rays and we need people that fixing the machines people who

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manages all that amount of work we can produce now that we couldn't produce before because we

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didn't have the ai or the robots so it's very hard to predict like there are a lot of people

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say no this is going to disappear but then happens the opposite you know like we need more people

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because now we can produce or no different jobs yeah and we create exactly a different job that

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we didn't have before but we need it now because we need someone to to fix the or to check the

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what he's doing you know we need experts so yeah we just have to see what happens but

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very hard to predict yeah well in this case uh we all leverage the improvement of uh making

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a better diagnostics in in x-rays because this is uh that's one of the science and the

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the physicians will be you know more accurate that in you know diagnosing the diagnostics of

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new diseases and so on

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and detect anomalies

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save more lives

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we'll see

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do you want to comment anything on

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the cinema or films or

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any

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comment about the robots

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in any film

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or any movie that we have seen

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to predict the future

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or in every topic that you

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like to comment anything

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I don't know what to

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being here. Do you have any favorite movie that you've seen play out nowadays?

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I don't have a favorite movie but I have many movies that have influenced me in this way

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because I mean as soon as you develop autonomous entity intelligence that can

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be taking you know making certain sort of certain decisions for others like humans

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we need to trust this and about that we have seen many many examples in the in the cinema

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that comes more from the human fears than reality.

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But I don't know if...

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Because imagine when Isaac Asimov wrote, you know,

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The Robot Dreams and I, Robot,

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and the other books related to robots,

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and there was no robot over the over the air so it was uh 1950 something it was an imagination yes

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but so but now it's coming true like some of the things that uh are in in that book in iRobot for

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example right now you can yep you can have it in reality yeah we have checked a video at the

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beginning of the podcast in which they are moving and having some skills that are pretty similar to

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the ones we can check in the field inside a robot.

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You remember one of the rules was

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a robot cannot harm any humans?

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Yeah.

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Is that a real rule right now?

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Exactly.

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All AI systems,

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they need to have barriers to protect human beings.

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Even chat GPT, every model has guards or barriers.

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So programmers are coding the robots with that rule?

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Without that, I don't know what would happen.

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The problem is that, think about the programming part of the AI, because we are dealing right now just with the, let's say, LLMs, that is more training the language models.

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But if you are in front of a real intelligence that is able to be autonomous, at some point...

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Artificial general intelligence, right?

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Yeah, at some point, and this is a big discussion, and all the scientific population is very divided between this is going to go well or bad.

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But it could be a liability, it could be a risk.

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I think that we have, with different things, I mean, imagine the big failures of humanity.

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Think about Chernobyl and many other human error is more powerful than any machine or AI.

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And if we instill, and we are very able to do this, instill these errors inside an AI, that could be catastrophic.

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this is my my opinion so we this kind of barriers you know as soon as uh this

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autonomous entity realizes that our barriers that they are going to

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uh i don't know make a kind of work around of uh finding uh how to prevent this virus so

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Yeah, we'll see. There are many boundaries that we have to check and revise to know if we are doing the right things with robots and AI.

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We'll see. But it's an amazing era to live on and it's an amazing time to be alive.

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I think so, because we are just about to start this, I don't know, this new era, yeah, this new time in which we have robots, we have AI, we have space race, and all together, we'll see what happens at the end.

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Did you guys watch this movie, Project Hail Mary?

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Yeah, I've watched that.

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Yeah, last week.

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There is a robot in there that can heal anything.

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There are some robot arms that,

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as soon as they detect something wrong with the person,

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with the protagonist, they fix it.

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But you mean the robot in the film, or another different one?

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No, the robot in the film.

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And it's the same robot that gives...

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The rock?

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No, no, no.

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There's a robot in the spaceship that gives coffee.

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I'm feeling bad

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give me something

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and that now seems

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possible like you're watching that

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and you say okay this is

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realistic like I don't know if it's

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too far away in the future maybe a few years but

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it's possible and before

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when I don't know

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the previous movies from

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I don't know

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2001

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Space Odyssey or something like that

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you watch that and you're like this is impossible

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Yeah, but now yeah, that was it. Now you realize that those achievements could be possible. Yes

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Yeah

451
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you have

452
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these topics all around these kind of movies and

453
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:05,199
You can strike these topics and many mix it all together and these these all are our fears

454
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for the future so

455
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in

456
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2001, the space odyssey, you know, there's an autonomous computer that finally decides

457
00:43:18,539 --> 00:43:26,539
that, you know, it makes the decisions, or Kahl makes the decisions.

458
00:43:26,539 --> 00:43:30,579
He becomes evil, right, in that movie, he becomes evil.

459
00:43:30,579 --> 00:43:35,340
This is one way of seeing this, I think that it's not evil.

460
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:46,820
I think it's a program to avoid liabilities, and the human being at some point was a liability.

461
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:53,519
So that was an easy decision for him because we are very...

462
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,519
He didn't have the rule in place.

463
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:56,519
Yes.

464
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:01,400
Or maybe he had the rule, but he went, okay, I don't know about this rule.

465
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,019
Well, it's a question of reward, you know.

466
00:44:05,019 --> 00:44:13,179
you do more than these rules or barriers you have to reward certain decisions like you know

467
00:44:16,219 --> 00:44:23,099
making the good for the humans it should be rewarded for them and what happened if we have

468
00:44:24,219 --> 00:44:31,980
people scientists programming robots without that rule i mean the the worry right now the danger

469
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is that you have Nobel Prizes right now saying it doesn't matter what rule you put in.

470
00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:43,980
The machine is too smart, you know, it's gonna be smarter than the scientists that are writing the code or whatever.

471
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:51,980
So that's the situation. There are professors right now that is just designing these rules,

472
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designing these safeguards for AI models that are really, really well paid.

473
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If you know how to, you know, you have to test the models and see, can it teach me to make a bomb, for example, it shouldn't, you know, like, and you test it, you test it, you test it, and then you release the new model, the new activity or whatever.

474
00:45:11,579 --> 00:45:19,579
When you know these rules are in place, but there are some people saying at some point it's going to become so smart that the rules won't matter.

475
00:45:19,579 --> 00:45:24,739
well we'll see what will happen in the future

476
00:45:24,739 --> 00:45:34,039
any other comment or that's all for now i think this is an amazing subject that it could be

477
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:40,940
you know we can be talking hours and hours uh because there are many angles yeah of these

478
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many different topics to deal with yeah for sure thank you very much for your attention and that's

479
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all for now for the second episode stay tuned for for the following one and that's all thank you bye