1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 The prospect of living and working on other worlds is very exciting, 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,000 but there are many questions that need to be answered before this vision can become a reality. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Food concerns, radiation exposure, space suits that can withstand the rigors placed upon them, 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 and a host of other problems are concerns for NASA planners. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Johnny Alonzo spoke with Lisa Guerra at NASA headquarters to find out how it works. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,000 In the late 60s and early 70s, researchers at NASA learned quite a bit about living and working on other worlds 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 with the success of the Apollo moon landings. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:41,000 These missions helped broaden our understanding of how humans can work and interact outside of the comforts of Earth. 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,000 But even though much was learned about problems astronauts would face on other worlds, 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,000 the human presence on the moon was relatively short, generally only a few days at a time. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Future missions to Mars will be much longer, potentially lasting years at a time. 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Things that many of us take for granted, such as food, clothing, medical care and safety, 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 are some of the biggest challenges that need to be addressed by NASA planners. 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 To help us understand what is being done to prepare for these long-duration missions, 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,000 I spoke with Lisa Guerra at NASA headquarters to find out how it works. 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:17,000 The major challenge to live and work on other worlds is predominantly adapting to a new environment. 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 The crews will be coming to these new worlds, and the one we've been looking at in particular is Mars, 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 and have to arrive and adapt to the environment. 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,000 And that environment on Mars involves a third of our Earth's gravity, 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:39,000 as well as different weather patterns, dust storms, which we are particularly concerned with, 22 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:45,000 radiation, which we have to measure and understand how to protect the crews against. 23 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:53,000 And in particular, these crews will be traveling for long distances from Earth to Mars, 24 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:59,000 and we will have to have the crews fend for themselves once they get there. 25 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,000 There will not be hosts of doctors and NASA personnel when they arrive, 26 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,000 and so are they physically able to adapt to this environment as soon as they get there. 27 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,000 So when our astronauts arrive at Mars, will they have to go permanent basis, 28 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,000 or could they just live on the spacecraft that they arrive in? 29 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Whether they live in their spacecraft, or we would have to have a more permanent habitat for them, 30 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 would depend on how long they would stay at Mars. 31 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 And there are two different approaches to sending crews to Mars. 32 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:37,000 One involves a short stay, and that's on the length of about 30 days on the surface of Mars. 33 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,000 If that's how long they would be there, they could probably live out of their spacecraft, 34 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 much like the Apollo astronauts did. 35 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000 However, if we take the other approach to going to Mars, 36 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:57,000 they could be there for almost 500 days, from a year to 500 days in Mars' vicinity. 37 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,000 And in that case, it's a very long time for six people to live out of one spacecraft, 38 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,000 so we would probably have a larger habitat and presence on the surface. 39 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,000 It would also mean we'd probably need other power sources than solar power, 40 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,000 because they'd have to sustain their activities for such a long period of time. 41 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,000 And with the weather and dust conditions, it makes solar power very difficult on Mars. 42 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,000 So, Lisa, when astronauts are on Mars for years at a time, how would they get their food and water? 43 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,000 As I mentioned, if they could stay for over a year, 44 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,000 ideally you could use some of the resources that might be on Mars. 45 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 And with our current Mars robotic program, 46 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,000 we are trying to determine the levels of potential water or water ice on the planet. 47 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,000 And if we do find sources in large quantities of water, 48 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:02,000 we could use that for the crews, as well as use it in fuel cells for power generation. 49 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:08,000 We could also use the atmosphere, which is made up predominantly of carbon dioxide, 50 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:14,000 and you could use methods to decompose the carbon dioxide into oxygen, 51 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,000 and then we could use that oxygen for the spacecraft air. 52 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,000 As far as food goes, again, if you have water and oxygen, 53 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,000 you could ultimately see the crews developing their own growth chambers 54 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 and actually growing their own food, 55 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,000 and that would be something we'd look into if we were staying there for a long time. 56 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:43,000 What are some of the differences astronauts might face working on the Moon compared to working on Mars? 57 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,000 The difference between spending and occupying time on the Moon to Mars, 58 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,000 first and foremost, is that the Moon is much closer to the Earth, about a three-day trip. 59 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,000 We could actually rescue the crews if necessary. 60 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 They could come back and get medical care. 61 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 They would not have to be as self-sufficient, 62 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:10,000 and you could set up like a ferry system with logistics, much like we do with the space station. 63 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,000 So, again, the crews could operate for varying amounts of time, 64 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,000 but still be reliant on the Earth, whereas the distance to Mars is so much greater. 65 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,000 We'd have to build the reliability and maintainability into our systems 66 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,000 and have the crews be much more self-sufficient. 67 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Music 68 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Right now, NASA is planning to use the Moon as a testbed for Mars. 69 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,000 This would be primarily a systems-type testbed, 70 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,000 design some of these life support systems and spacesuits, 71 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:07,000 and use them and work them on the Moon and learn from that engineering experience 72 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,000 and then improve the design for Mars. 73 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 One major challenge that will need to be addressed 74 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 will be what type of spacesuit our astronauts will wear on other worlds. 75 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 The current suits used on the shuttle and in the space station work well, 76 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,000 but they are not designed for full-range motions like walking and working on a planetary surface. 77 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,000 So future suits will probably look more like the suits that were used during the Apollo program. 78 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,000 These new suits will need to be much more durable and better suited 79 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 for the harsh conditions astronauts will encounter on other worlds. 80 00:06:35,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Music 81 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,000 The other issue, though, with spacesuits for Mars is the dust issue. 82 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,000 The dust tends to be very electrostatic, 83 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:18,000 and there are concerns that if you came into the habitat or the airlock with your suit, 84 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 that dust would get circulated into the air system. 85 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:29,000 So there are concepts being developed where maybe the suit never comes into your habitat, 86 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:35,000 that you actually step out of it, like walk out from the back of your suit into your habitat, 87 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,000 and the suit's always exposed to the environment. 88 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,000 We're looking at this as not just a milestone, 89 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,000 but a journey to actually get beyond Earth orbit, 90 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,000 to get beyond the Moon and go to other worlds. 91 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:57,000 And so everything we do today and everything we expect to do in the next couple of decades 92 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,000 will give us a capability to enable us to get to Mars. 93 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:10,000 And it may not be within my career, but it may be the young engineers in school today 94 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,000 that they will see it through, and then the next generation, the next generation. 95 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 So that's how it works. 96 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,000 So for the next generation of explorers, walking on Mars, looking at the cards, 97 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 with my pole here at NASA, I guess I might see you there. 98 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 That's it for this edition of Destination Tomorrow. 99 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,000 I'm Steel McGonigal. 100 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 And I'm Kara O'Brien. 101 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000 For all of us here at NASA, we'll see you next time. 102 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:41,000 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 103 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:11,000 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 104 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:41,000 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology 105 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:11,000 NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology