1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Tengo o placer de presentar a Carlos S. José 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,000 da Editorial Anaya. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,000 É el director do Departamento de Contenidos e Servicios en Rede. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,000 É tamén, por así decirlo, un dos nosos 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 da época do PENETIC, 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,000 professor tamén na súa época dourada, 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 na época do famoso PENETIC, que hoxe é o CENICE, 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,000 un dos proxectos de alfabetización informática 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 máis importantes que houve na época dos anos 80. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:37,000 E, bueno, ele reconvertido ao mundo editorial 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 sem esquecer o seu faceto de docente, 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 con lo que, hoxe, temos o placer de escolhê-lo. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Tengo uns 10 anos já na Editorial Anaya, 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 a que cheguei desde a Administración, 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,000 que estaba nas Novas Tecnologías e na Aplicación ao Aula 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 na formación do professorado, 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 e cheguei á Editorial a facer o mesmo. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 A facer o mesmo, pero desde o punto de vista 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 de creación de contenidos. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 O que facen as editoriais históricamente, 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 que é ajudar ao profesorado 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 no último nível de concreción 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 da Aplicación ao Aula. 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Entón, iso apunta a un punto de vista interesante. 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 E o meu matiz era as Novas Tecnologías. 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Entón, nesses 10 anos, 27 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 o seguimiento de como ha ido evolucionando, 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 e a tecnologia ha evolucionado moitísimo, 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 pero unha cosa constatable é sempre 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 que as cifras de utilización, 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 o que dicen as estadísticas que se facen con certa frecuencia, 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 están clavadas. 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Aumenta, avanza o uso das tecnologías ao Aula, 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,000 pero por detrón así, 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 é moi difícil superar o grupo de entusiastas. 36 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Se bate o corpo a algo, 37 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 pero nunca hay dúz que algo está pasando. 38 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 E neste panorama, de repente, 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 o que estaba pasando 40 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 é que faltaba a Aplicación ao Aula. 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Tenemos bastantes esperanzas 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 de que esta seja a pizarra digital. 43 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Porque, por primeira vez, 44 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 non é moito tempo, 45 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 se ve unha inflexión 46 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 no grado de adaptación 47 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 nas aulas de unha tecnología. 48 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,000 A pizarra digital parece que rompe un pouco 49 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 a tendencia do escalón tecnológico 50 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 que hay que subir 51 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 para avanzarse a meter cosas no Aula 52 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,000 y lo hace porque mantiene bastante 53 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 unha estructura de Aula 54 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,000 a la que o docente está moi acostumbrado. 55 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Estamos moi acostumbrados a controlar unha Aula 56 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 con unha pizarra 57 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 e isto nos dá ese mesmo control 58 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 pero un montón de potencia sobre a tecnología. 59 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 A tecnología se va facendo máis fácil, 60 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 máis rápida. 61 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 A comunicación en internet, 62 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 todo isto que já estaba aquí, 63 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 agora con el matiz da pizarra electrónica, 64 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 parece que está... 65 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 A pizarra digital interactiva 66 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 parece que nos está dando 67 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 un camino á aceptación. 68 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Por outra parte, 69 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 vemos que suceden países 70 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 que nos llevan unha pequena ventaja en isto, 71 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 como poden ser os nórdicos 72 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 o nosso referente máximo 73 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 que sempre é o Reino Unido. 74 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 E vemos que ahí 75 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 quizás está bien 76 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 con unha política 77 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 de administración distinta a nostra 78 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,000 pois hai un grado de administración grande. 79 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Sabemos onde están os charcos 80 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 porque allí los han pisado. 81 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Procuraremos non meter el pie 82 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 en esos mismos charcos aquí 83 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 e que isto pueda ir un pouco mellor. 84 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 E, claro, as editoriais 85 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 nos hemos lanzado, evidentemente, 86 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 a producir, a decir, 87 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 pizarras digitales. 88 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Sabemos que estáis ahí 89 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,000 e nós vamos a tomar nota 90 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 e a producir materiales 91 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,000 e a orientar 92 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 nosos materiales complementarios 93 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 a esta nova realidad. 94 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,000 E é iso que quería enseñar. 95 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Non tengo ni PowerPoint 96 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 ni tengo tempo tampouco 97 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 porque o entorno parece que 98 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 nos ha dilatado 99 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 a ponencia buena del día 100 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 que era a de la terraza 101 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 e simplemente queria manifestar iso. 102 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Os materiales que desde hace bastantes anos 103 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 todas as editoriais 104 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000 desde logo yo me condeno a ella 105 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 pero casi aquí puedo hablar por todas 106 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 os que venimos produciendo 107 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 desde hace moitos anos 108 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 já los tenemos adaptados 109 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 a pizarras digitales 110 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 e agora o que nos queda 111 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 é ordenarlos de acordo 112 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 a la realidad del aula 113 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000 a como se usan nel aula. 114 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Entón, en el caso de Anaya 115 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 evaluando as pizarras 116 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 e como se están usando nel aula 117 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 viendo esas experiencias 118 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 hemos chegado a convulsión 119 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 de que teníamos que aprovechar ese tirón 120 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 e hemos chegado a un acordo 121 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 con Estudy Plan 122 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 para hacer un aprovechamiento mutuo 123 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 as pizarras 124 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 o que necesitan son contenidos 125 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 nosos contenidos adaptados ás pizarras 126 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 que teñen que subirse 127 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 no éxito das pizarras 128 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 e hemos feito un acordo 129 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,000 para distribuir 130 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 para hacer los recursos 131 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 que já tenemos 132 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 adaptarlos e os novos 133 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 hacerlos perfectamente compatibles 134 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000 con esta tecnologia 135 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 e colaborar nos proyectos 136 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,000 de lanzamiento de materiales 137 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,000 que na segunda parte da ponencia 138 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,000 se va a presentar 139 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,000 na página web 140 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 que están preparando 141 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 e la nuestra 142 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 tamén vamos a adaptarla 143 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 a que sean faciles 144 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 de encontrar estos recursos 145 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 agrupados por áreas 146 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 por materias 147 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 e por los metadatos 148 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 que un profesor 149 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,000 busca cuando va a la red 150 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,000 buscar material complementario 151 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 ou cuando le dice a un editorial 152 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 o que quere 153 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 abrir ese canal 154 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 de comunicación 155 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 para decir 156 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 querríamos desto 157 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 como lo tenemos 158 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 cuando 159 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 en fin 160 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 e yo para terminar 161 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 porque non quería hablar máis 162 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 que iba a enseñar 163 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 un par de cosillas 164 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 traía muchas 165 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 he traído un dúbedé entero 166 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 porque tenemos recursos 167 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 que si o nosso problema 168 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 é organizarlos 169 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 e adaptarlos 170 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 a un árbol 171 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 de busquedas 172 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 e a un sistema 173 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 de distribución 174 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 adecuado 175 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 a la realidad 176 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 que tenemos encima 177 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 pero bueno 178 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 pois non se poden 179 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 enseñar alguna 180 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 teño aquí señalado 181 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 que esta funciona bien 182 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 pois vamos a ver 183 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 alguna 184 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 de los 185 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 cosas 186 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 que ya estaban hechas 187 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 e que adaptamos 188 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 a la pizarra 189 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 sin ninguna dificultad 190 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 e como 191 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 entendemos 192 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 que se usan 193 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 en el aula 194 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 novas 195 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 hemos visto bastantes 196 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 experiencias 197 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 de como se usan 198 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 en el aula 199 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 esto es de 200 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Historia de España 201 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 de Segundo Bachillerato 202 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 En una de las vertientes 203 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 del Valle de Boí 204 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 situado en 205 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 la actual 206 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 comarca 207 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 de la Alta 208 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Riva Gorza 209 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 se alza 210 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 la Iglesia Románica 211 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 de San Clemente 212 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 de Taú 213 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 consagrada 214 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,000 en año 215 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 1120 216 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Bueno 217 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,000 esto es 218 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 una descripción 219 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 en la que hay 220 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 un pequenín 221 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 En los frescos 222 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 de Taú 223 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 el dibujo 224 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 establece 225 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 con rotunda 226 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 claridad 227 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 los contornos 228 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 de los personajes 229 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 y las separaciones 230 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 de las distintas 231 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 escenas 232 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Es de destacar 233 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 el dibujo 234 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 de los ojos 235 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 realizado 236 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 con un único 237 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 y elegante 238 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 trazo 239 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Los colores 240 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 son planos 241 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 sin apenas 242 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 gradación tonal 243 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 La luz 244 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 es homogénea 245 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 e intemporal 246 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Bien 247 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Jesu 248 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Jesucristo 249 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Dios 250 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 y hombre verdadero 251 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 según el cristianismo 252 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 aparece sentado 253 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 después 254 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 de su resurrección 255 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Aquí lo que tenemos 256 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 es una presentación 257 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,000 de estos frescos 258 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Supongo que sería 259 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 un contenido curricular 260 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 de hablar 261 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 del románico 262 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,000 del Pirineo 263 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,000 y con una pizarra 264 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 digital 265 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 pues lo que hacemos 266 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 es incorporar 267 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 a un vídeo 268 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 que teníamos 269 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 descriptivo 270 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 muy bien realizado 271 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,000 pues un pequeño 272 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 una pequeña navegación 273 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,000 y una pausa 274 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Aquí 275 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 ahora si yo 276 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 estuviera en la pizarra 277 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 pues podría estar 278 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 señalando 279 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 lo que me parecería 280 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 oportuno 281 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 o si estoy en casa 282 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 montándolo 283 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 pues puedo parar 284 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 grabar la sesión 285 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Digamos que 286 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,000 que ya tenemos probados 287 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 y que son 288 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,000 de calidad contrastada 289 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 estamos añadiéndole 290 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 algunos elementos sencillos 291 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 sobre todo sencillos 292 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 de reutilización 293 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 o de posibilidad de utilización 294 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 sobre una pizarra interactiva 295 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 bien sea para el aula 296 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 o bien sea para 297 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 organizar la clase 298 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 en la calma de casa 299 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 o de la sala de profesores 300 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Hay cerca de ocho mil recursos 301 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,000 de este estilo 302 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 no voy a enseñar más que este 303 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,000 porque no quiero 304 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 traía preparados unos cuantos 305 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 hay de todos los niveles 306 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 desde la primaria 307 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000 que son muy vistosos 308 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 con los colores 309 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 los manitos y tal 310 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 hasta la preparación de selectividad 311 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,000 como podría ser este 312 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,000 todas las asignaturas 313 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 todas las áreas 314 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 todos los niveles 315 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 vamos a ceder unos cuantos 316 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 para la web 317 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 de la que vamos a hablar ahora 318 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 también vamos a poner un 319 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 hacer un CD promocional 320 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 con muchos de ellos 321 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000 con bastantes recursos 322 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 para asociar 323 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 a esta pizarra digital 324 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 y luego vamos a disponer 325 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 de una página web 326 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,000 específica dentro de la área 327 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,000 para que todos estos recursos 328 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 se puedan encontrar con facilidad 329 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 y el profesor 330 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,000 pueda pedir 331 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,000 pueda localizarlos 332 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 o pueda solicitarnos 333 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 algo nuevo que eche a faltar 334 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,000 y yo por mi parte 335 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 dado las prisas 336 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 casi voy a ceder el micrófono 337 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 a mi compañero de mesa 338 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 y a vuestra disposición 339 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 para lo que queráis preguntar