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Good afternoon, my name is Ezequiel Cabrillo, I am an IT Friendly Advisor here in Madrid.

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I am glad to introduce to my boss, as principal, what is the...

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Boss, I guess.

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My boss, Greg Sandobro.

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I am the director.

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It's

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well

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this is my boss

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Rachel Norwood

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the principal

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of Help Master

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introduce yourself

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I'm in charge of the teacher

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training program in the

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centre of Madrid

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my job is to

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coordinate, to design

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to implement the yearly training

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program here

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na nosa escola, é chamada

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FETIF Madrid Capital, é unha escola de treinamento

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que se atribuía primariamente

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aos professores de escola pública

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na Madrid

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na escola primaria e secundaria

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e Efequiel

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é unha das minhas colegas

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Obrigado

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Bem

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antes de tudo

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esta escola é

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competente

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base unha unha unha unha

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how teacher

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or college

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of competence base

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education

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can you believe that

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now, what is this?

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is a better question

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so

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can you repeat the question?

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well, in your opinion

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what is 10?

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to what is 10

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é saber

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competencias básicas de educación

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aquí en España ou aquí en Madrid?

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Eu penso que os professores

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grazas, en parte,

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ao treinamento e

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grazas, tamén, aos

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grupos manageriales

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ou as pessoas encargadas das escolas

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eu penso que os professores

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finalmente estão a mudar

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o seu método de ensaio

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e a ficar mais e mais

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focados e interesados

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en transformar as escuelas

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e trabajar en

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alcanzar

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objetivos e objetivos

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a través de la aprendizaje de competencia

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e penso que é algo que está se tornando

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cada vez más común en las escuelas

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e muy presente

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en el programa de entrenamiento de profesores

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en todos nuestros cursos, casi todos

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es un elemento

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interdisciplinario

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que tratamos de desarrollar

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prácticamente

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all of our courses

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I see you

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going by

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problem with that

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because I think here in Madrid

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nobody

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inside our class

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our colleagues

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majority speaking

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or generally speaking

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extremely contradictory

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the educational law

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the assessment

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in competencies

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standard competencies

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is way to

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to develop a lesson

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students in a traditional

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way and

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in a traditional way

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So you are not as optimistic as I am

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Creo que tienes razón, es difícil hacer el cambio y es un gran cambio en el enfoque de la enseñanza con respecto a la forma en que se han hecho hasta ahora, pero especialmente creo que en las escuelas primarias los cambios están tomando lugar.

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e talvez é um pouco mais difícil

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no secundario, nas escolas

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também depende do tema

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eu sou uma professora de inglês

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então estamos trabalhando

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usando

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aprendizaje basado na competencia

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por tanto tempo que me lembro

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com o framework europeu

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o framework europeu comum

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é a forma como nos enseñamos

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mas é verdade

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creo que hay ciertos temas que no

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no es que no se han aprendido

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pero creo que a los profesores es más difícil

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para ellos cambiar su manera de

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mirar y creo que es

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algo que tiene que ser

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implementado por toda la escuela

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porque si solo un

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profesor intenta cambiar su

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abordaje de enseñanza

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creo que es más difícil de ser

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sucesivo, tienes que tener el apoyo

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al menos de tu departamento para que

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otros miembros del departamento trabajen en el mismo

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dirección, e non é sempre o caso.

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E, nese sentido, eu concordo con você.

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Sim.

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Mas, do ponto de vista do treinamento,

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estamos fazendo un enorme

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esfuerzo para tentar mudar isso.

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Talvez, eu pensei, como

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un estudiante secundario.

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A demanda dos estudiantes

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que estão pedindo

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treinamento

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aprendizaje baseado en incompetencia

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é realmente alta.

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Os cursos que ofrecemos para primaria

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especialmente para las escuelas de edad

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es que siempre tenemos una lista de espera

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no podemos darles suficiente

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así que creo que están haciendo un gran esfuerzo

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para transformar sus enseñanzas

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sus técnicas y estrategias

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y quizás en la secundaria

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se está tomando un poco más tiempo para alcanzarlos

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¿Has visto un cambio ou un cambio nos métodos de ensayo desde que comenzaste a ensayar?

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¿En que modo?

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I think the IT tools is a great method to change the traditional lessons to another type,

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in this case, competency-based lessons.

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I enjoy it so much with Moodle.

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quando mencionaste Rubrik

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eu penso que é unha das principais

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teachers have to get used to, that their evaluation

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they're not used to using rubrics

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that's changing as well

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Y como digo, para mi es muy obvio, porque cuando nos enseñamos un idioma, lo que queremos es aprender a desculpar,

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no las estructuras que están involucradas, sino las diferentes formas en que puedes desculpar, o cuando gritas, las diferentes formas en que puedes gritar.

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Y todo esto es muy agregado, y obviamente puedes trabajar en gritar desde el primer día hasta seis años después, si estamos hablando de eso.

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Hay muchas formas de medir esa competencia, pero creo que está cambiando.

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Creo que hay algunos temas, tal vez como la historia o otros temas que puedas pensar que podrían ser un poco más...

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Creo que es posible con diferentes temas, es posible con filosofía,

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e é posible con a matemática

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eu penso que non é un problema

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o tema

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mas eu penso que se vais a escola

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as chances de ver

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un estudiante

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no competencia

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non?

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non, non, porque por exemplo

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un estudiante

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ten moitas resursos

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incredible. I think it's

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it's a question of resources, though. It's a question

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of a teacher sitting down and

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first of all, trying, you know, defining

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the competencies that he wants to

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os estudiantes non paran de pensar

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en que dirección

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eu quero poder fazer isto

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eu quero que os meus estudiantes

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a zona de conforto

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é posible

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é posible

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mas eu penso que

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desde o ponto de vista

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de que nos estamos

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desde o nosso aspecto

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primeiro

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En primer lugar, estamos notando un aumento de gente que pide formación en metodologías novas en general.

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Y entonces, cuando visitamos las escuelas y las vemos funcionar, hay muchas escuelas que están funcionando en esta dirección.

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Así que tenemos que estar optimistas.

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Perfecto.

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Bueno, muchas gracias, Gretchen.

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De nada. Fue un placer estar aquí.

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Me too, me too

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Well, this is

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the final

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of this informal interview

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I hope that

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our speakers

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here in Madrid

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here in Spain

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can help you

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in some way, I don't know

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Well, thank you very much

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Goodbye

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Goodbye