1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,240 I want to tell you this afternoon about the biggest challenge that I've had as a comprehensive 2 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:29,960 school teacher, and that's training fourth-year students to take IGCSE tests. 3 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,160 Now what the heck is IGCSE, right? 4 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:41,580 Well, IGCSE stands for International General Certificate for Secondary Education, and these 5 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:50,200 international exams are taken through Cambridge University, and they are the international 6 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,820 equivalent to the UK GCSEs, right? 7 00:00:55,820 --> 00:01:00,400 That is to say, El Graduado Escolar in Spain, okay, right? 8 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:10,420 And well, as Judith has said, I work at Villavallecas, which is one of the ten pioneer comprehensive 9 00:01:10,420 --> 00:01:19,300 schools, which followed a Ministry of Education on British Council model, so we are bilingual 10 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:23,400 before being bilingual, right, okay. 11 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:34,320 And two years ago, in our case two years ago, when the first form of students got to fourth-year, 12 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:39,440 the Ministry of Education on the British Council had a meeting with us and told us, your students 13 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,360 should take these exams, okay. 14 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,600 There are two options in English. 15 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,660 English as a second language, and English as a first language. 16 00:01:49,660 --> 00:01:52,620 At first, we didn't have many doubts about it. 17 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:58,180 It was like, okay, they are literacy students, they are familiar with the literacy approach, 18 00:01:58,180 --> 00:02:04,460 so they are going to do better at first language English tests, okay. 19 00:02:04,460 --> 00:02:09,980 But then there was some debate, because some of my colleagues went like, okay, yes, but 20 00:02:09,980 --> 00:02:17,580 you know, the Spanish labour market has not heard of IGCSEs, you know. 21 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:20,780 They are aware of the first certificates. 22 00:02:20,780 --> 00:02:24,040 They are aware of the advanced certificate. 23 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,940 They know about the proficiency certificate. 24 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:32,180 They also know about other tests like TOIC, the Test of English for International Commerce, 25 00:02:32,180 --> 00:02:34,900 okay, but they don't know about IGCSEs. 26 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:42,660 Unfortunately, that's true, but on the other hand, we felt that, you know, if they passed 27 00:02:42,660 --> 00:02:47,380 their IGCSEs, our students, you know, then it would be like, okay, they've had a bilingual 28 00:02:47,380 --> 00:02:52,140 education and this clearly proves it, because they've got the two graduados, the Spanish 29 00:02:52,140 --> 00:02:54,780 one and the British one, okay. 30 00:02:54,780 --> 00:03:01,060 So that was the reason why we finally went for it, and it compensated us. 31 00:03:01,060 --> 00:03:07,660 It's been a lot of hard work, but it's also very rewarding, because of the intellectual 32 00:03:07,660 --> 00:03:15,620 salary, both for teachers and students, and if I can start using the PowerPoint presentation, 33 00:03:15,620 --> 00:03:23,300 then it will be better, but unfortunately, something's gone wrong, okay. 34 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:27,060 Oh, there we are, my man. 35 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:29,140 All right, good. 36 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:33,660 That's it, all right, okay. 37 00:03:33,660 --> 00:03:41,020 So as I said, that's what IGCSE means, International General Certificate of Secondary Education. 38 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:44,620 It's aimed at students aged 14 to 16. 39 00:03:44,620 --> 00:03:49,340 It's recognised by universities and institutes of higher education around the world, and 40 00:03:49,340 --> 00:03:56,220 well, as I said, it's the equivalent in standard to the UK GCSE examinations, okay. 41 00:03:56,300 --> 00:04:02,980 Besides, if they get good grades, you know, well, that's taken into account when it comes 42 00:04:02,980 --> 00:04:07,900 to access to universities and colleges around the world. 43 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:19,140 Okay, I've already explained this, so, well, I've already told you why it was a bit of 44 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:21,340 a difficult choice at first for us. 45 00:04:21,340 --> 00:04:28,660 We had those doubts about English as a first language and English as a second language. 46 00:04:28,660 --> 00:04:32,660 Then I'm telling you, it's a challenge for both teachers and students. 47 00:04:32,660 --> 00:04:33,660 Why? 48 00:04:33,660 --> 00:04:35,580 Because the level is really high, okay. 49 00:04:35,580 --> 00:04:44,820 I'll show you some examples, and you'll soon understand, okay, right, right. 50 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:52,300 Let me show you this exercise about descriptive verb usage, okay, and you'll see what I mean, 51 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:53,980 especially temp teachers. 52 00:04:53,980 --> 00:04:56,260 Are there any temp teachers here? 53 00:04:56,260 --> 00:04:59,820 Those who are going to take your posiciones in a few days' time? 54 00:04:59,820 --> 00:05:00,820 No? 55 00:05:00,820 --> 00:05:01,820 All right. 56 00:05:01,820 --> 00:05:02,820 Oh, yeah, good. 57 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:03,820 Brave girl. 58 00:05:03,820 --> 00:05:04,820 Okay, right. 59 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:05,820 Well, yeah. 60 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:06,820 Interinos, yeah, temporary. 61 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:07,820 So, well, oh, dear. 62 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:08,820 Oh, dear. 63 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:31,060 Well, it was an exercise about descriptive verb usage, so that's one of the main things 64 00:05:31,060 --> 00:05:33,460 that they have to do in fourth year. 65 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:39,020 They have to make the transition from general vocabulary to more specific vocabulary, okay. 66 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:45,240 So, instead of saying things like, she came into the room, no, they have to, like, okay, 67 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:53,860 she breathed into the room, or maybe she padded into the room because, you know, she was, 68 00:05:53,860 --> 00:06:02,780 she had her slippers on, okay, right, or maybe she sashayed into the room, as the Americans 69 00:06:02,780 --> 00:06:05,260 would say, you know, right. 70 00:06:05,260 --> 00:06:12,140 So, they have to make this transition, okay, and they also have to make the transition 71 00:06:12,140 --> 00:06:18,460 from general comprehension to subtle comprehension, okay. 72 00:06:18,460 --> 00:06:23,380 Let me tell you what I mean by subtle comprehension, okay, right. 73 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:31,620 I'm going to give you a silly little example by Ray Davis, Britain's great lost poet laureate. 74 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:34,860 He really should be made poet laureate, okay. 75 00:06:34,860 --> 00:06:41,620 It's from a silly old song from 1966, but I love it, because with just two verses, Ray 76 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:45,340 Davis is telling a complete tale, okay. 77 00:06:45,340 --> 00:06:50,940 This is a song about two sisters, and one of them is very jealous of the other, and 78 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:56,580 it went like, sorry if my rendition is bad, it's like, Sibylla looked into her mirror, 79 00:06:56,580 --> 00:06:59,300 Priscilla looked into the washing machine. 80 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:07,660 Okay, so, in an English as a second language, the question would be, profe, washing machine 81 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:16,460 means lavadora, right, but in a literacy session, the question is, okay, so, what information 82 00:07:16,460 --> 00:07:25,020 is Ray Davis giving us by using the mirror and the washing machine, and at first, it's 83 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:32,340 quite hard for them, but after a little time, you know, it dawns on them, okay, Sibylla 84 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:37,740 looks at herself in the mirror, because maybe she's getting dressed for a party, and she's 85 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:44,580 putting make-up on her face, okay, right, so, the mirror is like, okay, her spare time 86 00:07:44,580 --> 00:07:53,260 is for herself, but Priscilla sees her reflection in the washing machine, her spare time does 87 00:07:53,260 --> 00:08:01,580 not belong to her anymore, it belongs to the family, it belongs to her family, okay, 88 00:08:01,580 --> 00:08:09,900 and that's like, okay, great, see, and just two verses, with two verses, Ray Davis has 89 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:17,780 given us an awful lot of information, so, that is really one of the main targets in 90 00:08:17,780 --> 00:08:25,460 Fall of the Year, making this transition from what is evident to what is not so evident. 91 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:33,940 Oh, it's back, okay, well, just to give you an idea, you see, we used to do this kind 92 00:08:33,940 --> 00:08:38,820 of exercises when we were getting trained for our opposiciones, you know, it's like, 93 00:08:38,820 --> 00:08:45,300 okay, we were told, okay, try to tell me as many verbs as you can remember for kissing, 94 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:52,820 or for smiling, or for laughing, or for eating, okay, and it was like, oh, God, oh, there's 95 00:08:52,820 --> 00:09:02,860 munch, okay, okay, and you feel peckish, you nibble, and, you know, so, believe me, when 96 00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:11,340 I tell you that the level that our students are expected to come up with is very, very 97 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:20,220 close to the one our secondary education teacher must have. The main differences between 98 00:09:20,220 --> 00:09:27,740 our opposiciones and the IGCSE tests is that the questions are aimed at teenagers, of course, 99 00:09:27,740 --> 00:09:33,900 whereas the questions in an opposiciones are aimed at adults, but that's more or less just 100 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:39,740 about it, because the passages they get, they use descriptive vocabulary, descriptive verbs, 101 00:09:39,740 --> 00:09:46,980 advanced words, okay, right, and the questions aim at subtle comprehension, okay, right, 102 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:59,180 let's see if I can use a presentation, okay, right, with a little luck, okay, yeah, where's 103 00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:09,740 the mouse, yeah, good, now, let us take a look at some of the reading skills they need to master, 104 00:10:09,740 --> 00:10:22,540 okay, right, and they have to learn how to read for meaning, okay, right, this is one of my 105 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:30,420 favourite exercises that I do with them when I take them to the computer lab, okay, let's see if 106 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:45,180 I can, good, yeah, here it is, well, no, it's not working, oh, God, what isn't working, aha, well, here it is, 107 00:10:45,180 --> 00:11:00,540 the link won't work, yeah, but we've got internet, aha, yeah, well, anyway, now, this is another, 108 00:11:00,540 --> 00:11:08,380 this is another, well, it's not really working, it's a shame, you know, actually, that's for 109 00:11:08,380 --> 00:11:13,580 writing, not for reading, and I wanted to tell you about reading strategies, but obviously there's 110 00:11:13,580 --> 00:11:25,140 something wrong with my presentation, I don't know, well, anyway, we always tell them about 111 00:11:25,140 --> 00:11:34,820 minding the gap on making a list, when they have to work with non-fiction texts, they have to mind 112 00:11:34,820 --> 00:11:40,660 the gap, that is, think of the genre, think of the audience, and think of the purpose, okay, right, like, 113 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:49,540 if you're working with an article, who is it directing, and the purpose, what does it want you to do, 114 00:11:49,540 --> 00:11:56,380 okay, and then make a list, that's, think of the language, think of the information, think of the 115 00:11:56,380 --> 00:12:04,300 style, and think of the term, okay, right, so, if you have to answer questions in an ITCSE test about a 116 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:09,780 newspaper article, you have to remember these two rules of thumb, I mean, these two rules of thumb, 117 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:21,100 okay, right, then, when it comes to fiction, we always tell them, okay, think of the three R's, okay, 118 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:30,500 reading, rare reading, and reflecting on a story, okay, you read for general comprehension, but then 119 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:37,980 you reread for subtle comprehension, okay, right, and finally, you have to reflect on the story as 120 00:12:37,980 --> 00:12:46,980 well, okay, and then, we also tell them about layers of meaning, okay, so, when they have to 121 00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:57,620 analyze a passage, if they have to, if I find a lot of words with lots of different connotations, I always 122 00:12:57,620 --> 00:13:03,740 tell them, peel the onion, okay, because some of those words are very rich in connotations, and 123 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:14,700 they might say something totally different, okay, there might be irony there, it might be, you know, 124 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:27,260 maybe the writer is trying to express hatred or fear, okay, right, but sometimes, if it is a poem, 125 00:13:27,260 --> 00:13:34,780 then maybe the underlying meaning is very unified, you know, and coherent, so then, I tell them to use 126 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:42,180 the iceberg approach, okay, right, okay, the literal meaning is apparently obvious, but it won't get you 127 00:13:42,180 --> 00:13:50,740 any grades, you have to think of the biggest part of the iceberg, which is below the surface, okay, 128 00:13:50,740 --> 00:13:57,220 right, and those are basically the techniques that they have to master when it comes to reading 129 00:13:57,220 --> 00:14:02,660 exercises, so, you see, it's not ordinary reading comprehension, it's going one step beyond that, 130 00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:17,900 okay, right, now, I'll try to move on to writing, okay, well, when it comes to writing, we always give them 131 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:25,180 some advice on fiction and non-fiction, of course, when it comes to fiction, I love Lenny Henry's 132 00:14:25,180 --> 00:14:32,380 Four Steps to Storywriting, anyone knows good old Lenny Henry, the BBC comic actor, okay, well, 133 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:45,540 the first stage for Lenny Henry is doing exactly this, folding a sheet, okay, and folding it again, 134 00:14:45,540 --> 00:14:54,820 and now, we've got four boxes, one for the protagonist, one for the setting, one for the villain, or maybe the 135 00:14:54,820 --> 00:15:01,380 problem that the protagonist has, and then, a fourth one we keep for a random element that might make 136 00:15:01,380 --> 00:15:08,420 our story a bit more realistic, that's the first stage, the second stage to story writing is just 137 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:14,340 when you think of the beginning, the middle, and the end of your story, and you shuffle and reshuffle 138 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:21,700 ideas around, because maybe you might want to start your story in a different way than you originally thought, 139 00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:37,460 okay, right, and then, the third stage, that's when you, let me tell you, that's when you write your 140 00:15:37,460 --> 00:15:44,180 first draft, now, this is something that they never get used to, you know, we keep telling our students 141 00:15:44,260 --> 00:15:52,020 write a draft, and then redraft, and then redraft, and check your work, that's the best way to avoid 142 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:58,900 rubbish mistakes, and at the same time, you make your stories better, okay, so, and finally, once 143 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:07,060 they've written the first draft, that's the time to edit and tweak your story, maybe you can twist 144 00:16:07,220 --> 00:16:16,260 the end a little, to make it more interesting, okay, you want to add some final impact, okay, so those are 145 00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:24,260 some of the techniques that we teach our students when it comes to writing stories, okay, and they 146 00:16:24,260 --> 00:16:33,220 have to write stories, you know, in these tests, like, they have what they call guided writing 147 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:40,100 exercises, sometimes it's a composition, sometimes it's an article, but sometimes it's, okay, here, 148 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:44,340 we're giving you a passage from a story, you have to continue the story for a little while, 149 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:54,420 okay, right, then, another thing is, this is, this is great, you know, if only it worked, of course, 150 00:16:56,900 --> 00:17:02,580 I wish it worked, this is the Story Starter Truth Machine, and I really recommend this website, 151 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:10,740 okay, that's if inspiration refuses to strike, okay, now, it's a real truth machine, and it, 152 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:17,620 you know, it's got the genre about that, so, you've got several buttons, like, one is horror, 153 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:28,020 science, romance, okay, real life, and then, you make different combinations, and when you 154 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:33,220 finally get the combination that you like, you press the home button, and you get the beginning 155 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:40,340 of a story, like, okay, your protagonist is going to be, you know, a man from the future, whatever, 156 00:17:40,340 --> 00:17:49,620 okay, right, and then, the setting, okay, I don't know, Germany after the Second World War, whatever, 157 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:58,820 okay, right, and you get ideas to start writing a little story, okay, right, as for non-fiction, 158 00:18:02,020 --> 00:18:05,940 we always revisit the hamburger model, okay, 159 00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:11,140 well, we can't say it, it got stuck here in this slide, so, 160 00:18:11,460 --> 00:18:19,780 okay, you must have heard of the hamburger model, how many of you have heard of the hamburger model, 161 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:29,700 okay, well, but, yeah, you have, okay, right, well, this is good for both helping them with 162 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:35,220 their exams, and their writing skills, but also their speaking skills, because it can be applied 163 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:45,620 to presentations, and it really is important, because that's a nice way to practice the 164 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:51,620 connectors, one of the main problems that we have with students is that they tend to write in very 165 00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:59,460 large chunks, you know, there are no periods, as they say in America, no full stops, no columns, 166 00:18:59,460 --> 00:19:05,380 no semicolons, just a massive paragraph, and it's comma, comma, comma, comma, comma, comma, comma, 167 00:19:05,380 --> 00:19:11,700 which makes it awfully hard to understand, and of course, you know, Cambridge examiners 168 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:15,300 probably go crazy after reading a couple of those, you know, 169 00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:24,820 yeah, yeah, yeah, you see, so, it's like, no, you have to learn how to be organized, and you have to 170 00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:31,140 learn how to be articulate, how can you be articulate? Well, use connectors, and one way of 171 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:38,740 making them use connectors is asking them to do presentations in the classroom, okay, orally, 172 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:44,260 so, last year, we had a series of absolutely stupid presentations, and we had a laugh, 173 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:52,100 real, you know, like, okay, how to make a peanut cream sandwich, okay, or why should you, why, 174 00:19:52,900 --> 00:20:00,020 reasons of why you should never take your umbrella into the classroom, that was a hilarious one, and 175 00:20:01,540 --> 00:20:08,180 firstly, someone could try and hurl their gratitude, all right, so it was pretty stupid, but 176 00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:16,420 the thing is that they used firstly, secondly, and, you know, consequently, subsequently, so they started 177 00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:22,900 using those connectors, and they started talking in an articulate way, so we got away with it, 178 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:30,900 right, okay, that's it, so that's what I said, okay, the hamburger, oh, there it is, the hamburger model, 179 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:38,500 and now, the one that was here is there, you have to use this, I'm going slightly crazy, 180 00:20:39,140 --> 00:20:47,620 anyway, with pros and cons compositions, you see, it resembles a hamburger, that's why we call it 181 00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:52,900 the hamburger model, you know, you have the same rule of thumb that we have with presentations, 182 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:58,100 tell your audience what you're going to say, then say it, then tell them what you've said, 183 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:04,580 well, the same can be applied to these pros and cons compositions, and also to some other 184 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:12,260 kinds of conversations, you have your introduction, and you state your thesis, then you start giving 185 00:21:12,260 --> 00:21:22,020 details, then some data or evidence, like the lettuce and tomatoes, right, okay, and finally, 186 00:21:22,020 --> 00:21:29,060 you always keep the winning argument for the final part, okay, that's the meat, okay, right, of the 187 00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:37,220 hamburger, it confirms your thesis and beats the counter-arguments, okay, and the last piece of 188 00:21:37,220 --> 00:21:43,860 the bomb, you know, it's your conclusion, where you sort of tell your students what you've said, 189 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:53,940 okay, right, so we really worked hard on this, and at first, you know, it seemed so pretty useless, 190 00:21:53,940 --> 00:22:00,180 because they kept writing in large chunks, and they didn't write any first drafts at all, 191 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:07,300 but little by little, they finally, you know, learned the technique, all right, 192 00:22:09,460 --> 00:22:16,660 what time is there left? You have no time at all, right, you have to use the arrows, yeah, 193 00:22:17,460 --> 00:22:26,020 oh, good, then one of my favorite lessons with them is also about persuading, and 194 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:33,700 the lesson about power words, okay, about god words and devil words, 195 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:40,100 maybe not many of you have heard of this, but if you have studied either politics or maybe 196 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:46,420 marketing, publicity, then you would be familiar with it, because, well, 197 00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:55,220 you see what I mean, you know, we call god words, those words, we tend to attract instant approval, 198 00:22:55,220 --> 00:23:04,660 and devil words, those generate instant reforms, okay, and my original aim was to use a little 199 00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:14,900 excerpt from a video, you know, from the BBC comedy, Yes, Prime Minister, okay, 200 00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:23,780 and it's a passage, it's a very interesting passage, okay, Sir Humphrey Appleby, the cabinet 201 00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:28,820 secretary, is talking to Bernard Woolley, the personal assistant to the prime minister, 202 00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:34,020 the prime minister wants to reintroduce conscription, and Sir Humphrey definitely 203 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:42,020 is opposed to the idea, so he keeps telling Bernard, okay, come on, let's order a survey 204 00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:50,180 that makes it clear that the nation is against reintroducing conscription, 205 00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:56,980 and Bernard goes like, how can we do that? All right, have you ever been surveyed? Okay, 206 00:23:56,980 --> 00:24:03,780 let me tell you how it goes, okay, you've got just about a minute, yeah, are you worried about 207 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:10,580 the rise in the crime rate? Yes, do you think there's a lack of discipline and authority 208 00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:17,780 in our comprehensive schools? Yes, are you worried about unemployment? Yes, do you think 209 00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:22,900 people like a challenge? Yes, would you be in favor of reintroducing conscription? 210 00:24:23,860 --> 00:24:29,380 I suppose so, well, after all you've said, you can only say yes, okay, forget about the 211 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:35,940 first four questions, we'll only publish the last one, okay, okay, and alternatively, 212 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:40,260 the lady that's asking the questions can get the opposite result, okay, 213 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:46,100 are you worried about the 214 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:59,540 armament race? Yeah, do you like war? No, do you think it's negative to force people to take arms 215 00:24:59,540 --> 00:25:08,420 against their will? No, would you be in favor of reintroducing conscription? No, okay, so those are 216 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:16,500 God words and devil words, okay, and they can be used to persuade or even manipulate, 217 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:23,700 but that's a different question, and that's more or less it, so you see it's a very, very high step, 218 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:42,980 sorry to interrupt, but we've run out of time, but feel free to ask any questions.