1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:10,660 hello everyone how are you guys i want to welcome you to this first episode for the 2 00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:17,620 project podcast we are here with alberto corredera and borja martin hello carlos hello both teachers 3 00:00:17,620 --> 00:00:22,719 are from the it department and i'm carlos teeth i'm english teacher and we're dealing today with 4 00:00:22,719 --> 00:00:29,739 the topic of the ai and its impact on the world so we have two main blocks for for today the first 5 00:00:29,739 --> 00:00:40,640 one is related to the impact we can see from AI in the world, in studies, schooling, or work. 6 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:49,600 I have to say that I don't use AI as much as you guys, but actually, I have only checked 7 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:56,799 some information out throughout my life in ChatGPT, and that's basically all I have used 8 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:58,960 the AI and chatGPT. 9 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,939 I realize that in education, 10 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,159 probably, this is the first block, 11 00:01:03,539 --> 00:01:04,480 it is very helpful, 12 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:06,760 a very helpful tool for many tasks. 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,500 And we all can recognize 14 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:09,920 different advantages 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,599 that we can use in schooling as well. 16 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:16,000 But I want to know your opinion 17 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,459 related to the AI, 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,239 specifically for education 19 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:22,120 and studies, works, schooling. 20 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:23,700 What do you guys think about it? 21 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:24,959 Advantages. 22 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:25,439 We're starting. 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,079 Yeah. 24 00:01:26,540 --> 00:01:26,680 You? 25 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:37,140 me okay so what do i think i mean obviously is um it's a really powerful tool really useful and 26 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:43,859 it has changed the way um we work the way we teach but in education particularly i think 27 00:01:43,859 --> 00:01:51,239 it's dangerous and you have to be careful with it because it can replace some processes you need to 28 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:57,780 to go through in order to learn so it's very easy to rely on it for a lot of stuff and 29 00:01:57,780 --> 00:02:05,980 very tempting to use it very fast and try to get results too quick and you need to go slow 30 00:02:05,980 --> 00:02:10,740 if you want to use it to learn but as a learning tool even as a learning tool if you use it 31 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:19,599 to help you in your learning process is invaluable in my opinion but you need you need to know how to 32 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:26,539 use it what do you think well i think it's uh it's something that is already in our lives 33 00:02:26,539 --> 00:02:35,080 um if we talk about work uh i mean we as teachers as teachers uh we use 34 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:46,379 um in one one way of or another uh these tools to be more productive in terms of research in terms 35 00:02:46,379 --> 00:02:55,740 of uh you know finding new ways of giving some lectures but also we know that our students they 36 00:02:55,740 --> 00:03:05,099 use even more than us just to you know just to answer or to to meet or all the tasks that we 37 00:03:05,099 --> 00:03:12,860 i mean to accomplish all of them but um the good thing is uh for me is that as a augmented 38 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:20,460 you know capability that we have already human beings as we had in the past with you know some 39 00:03:20,460 --> 00:03:32,259 some other basic tools yeah I mean the mobile itself provides you with a high I mean the 40 00:03:32,259 --> 00:03:38,659 capability of searching any information in any from any source and we already have it 41 00:03:38,659 --> 00:03:54,259 So having this and design from the language side of the AI, because there are a lot of AIs, provides us a very powerful tool. 42 00:03:55,180 --> 00:03:59,159 It is obvious that there are many advantages for this. 43 00:03:59,219 --> 00:04:01,099 We can personalize our learning. 44 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:04,800 We can provide immediate feedback for the student. 45 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,080 We can create supplement content for them. 46 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:15,139 There are many resources through AI-powered platforms as well for them. 47 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:17,819 So it's a helpful tool. 48 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,819 That's obvious for me. 49 00:04:19,939 --> 00:04:23,259 But what about the drawbacks or disadvantages? 50 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:24,980 What do you guys think about this? 51 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:28,620 Because I have some clear points to discuss now. 52 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,500 I already talked a little bit about that. 53 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:37,339 what i think i mean i don't think you have a choice really and more if we talk about our 54 00:04:37,339 --> 00:04:45,480 particular field it because if you go to a workplace right now ai is used and the only 55 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,680 choice you have really is learning how to use it and because if not you're gonna have workmates 56 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:56,920 that are using it and they're gonna be ahead of you so it's not even a choice it has drawbacks 57 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:03,180 yes because it can prevent you from really learning and trying to do things very fast 58 00:05:03,180 --> 00:05:10,160 but we we need to do both we need to learn how to use ai and we still need to go through our 59 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:15,620 learning process in order to be able to supervise ai because that that's what i think is going to 60 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:20,699 happen in the future like we are going to be more like a supervisor of what the ai is doing 61 00:05:20,699 --> 00:05:26,519 so but but in order to do that you still need to get that this knowledge this basic knowledge 62 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:32,040 about how things work and be able to supervise ai because right now what happens i have a 63 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:40,360 anecdote with a friend of mine he he works in an id company and he has some really 64 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:46,600 young and new incorporations to the company that people that maybe just finished college or 65 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:52,680 whatever and they do things with the eye but they don't know if if what ai is whatever i did is 66 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:58,699 right you know that they don't have this knowledge so they still need to go to to their supervisor 67 00:05:58,699 --> 00:06:05,120 and ask hey is this okay because the ai gave this to me so what you really need to do is gain this 68 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:11,019 knowledge for yourself to be able to supervise to judge if what ai gave you is good enough or not 69 00:06:11,019 --> 00:06:18,100 yeah and check if it is if it is correct or or check all the information you can get from from 70 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:25,319 the AI. I think so. But what about privacy and, I don't know, transparency with the data 71 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:33,779 some AIs collect from us when we are using those applications or programs or whatever? 72 00:06:34,819 --> 00:06:41,939 I know that AI takes data and information from us and from the students as well. What do you guys 73 00:06:41,939 --> 00:06:53,420 think about this drawback well I think privacy is a huge issue because 74 00:06:53,420 --> 00:07:01,259 especially for those services that are offered for free of course the way these 75 00:07:01,259 --> 00:07:08,040 companies has to you know leverage all the data and to train again those models 76 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:16,259 is precisely to use your data so you somehow offer your personal experience to them 77 00:07:16,259 --> 00:07:22,720 for the services you are getting because you are not paying for in the basic layer 78 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:31,540 for these services so but I think it's very difficult to I mean to make a policy 79 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:39,839 especially for uh you know worldwide because uh in europe we have a different policies than in 80 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:48,060 in the u.s or or on eastern countries and what about if a school um strive um i don't know 81 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:56,139 equitable access for ai for the student i mean resources and and training for for teachers and 82 00:07:56,139 --> 00:08:04,379 students could be provided but by schools and i think it would help to to reduce the digital 83 00:08:04,379 --> 00:08:12,540 split or the digital division among the students who are engaging in ai and other students who 84 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:21,259 don't have enough access to technology in general at home maybe so schools maybe can or i don't know 85 00:08:21,259 --> 00:08:28,699 policies and education can create i don't know a framework for for all these uh contexts related 86 00:08:28,699 --> 00:08:36,220 to ai to provide the students and and teachers enough tools to the the the best use of it 87 00:08:37,340 --> 00:08:42,460 don't you guys yes um absolutely i think education is key that is what i was talking about before 88 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:51,059 like um maybe it should be a subject in this in the future with each in every school like 89 00:08:51,059 --> 00:08:57,679 how to use ai responsibly and what to what data can you share with ai what data 90 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:03,840 you shouldn't share with with ai and what's the proper way to use it in order for you to still 91 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:11,840 learn and make good use of the learning resources of the school and what about the 92 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:19,960 students misuses of ai i mean the tasks and projects every one of us get from from the 93 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:27,379 students from the students because they is a big project and task crowded with ai content or full 94 00:09:27,379 --> 00:09:34,200 of ai assets what do you guys think about this task or project from from the students and this 95 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:40,480 is a misuse from from their part you mean from the authoring i mean from the students and from 96 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:46,720 tasks and projects from the students that can create AI content. Are they authentic? Full and 97 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:53,360 crowded AI. There are two main concerns here. One of them is the author. I mean if you are the 98 00:09:53,360 --> 00:10:00,480 author of the content you are, I mean we have to assume that we have a big help from the AI. 99 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:07,759 So you have to add to the you know to the recipe some something yours because I mean human. 100 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:16,080 But another thing is that with this tool it's so easy to replicate other works and 101 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:26,399 make this appear that it's yours because just changing a little bit of the message or 102 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:33,440 including some of your message is very difficult to know because you know in the previous stage 103 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:40,559 when we had some tools for knowing if you know to avoid plagiarism 104 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:54,879 I mean it just you know not copying you know or citing others without you know mentioning 105 00:10:54,879 --> 00:11:00,720 mention them into quotes and so on there there were some rules about it in all the you know 106 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:09,679 university and and high school uh works and i don't know if these these rules uh will will be 107 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:17,759 uh you know increasing no i mean uh relevant in the future because uh everything is changing i 108 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:27,039 mean at what point is uh original content uh because everybody has the same uh you know tools 109 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:33,000 for creating an original content is one you can take from internet yeah that's okay or from ai 110 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:41,299 but you make or or develop those uh that information of those contents to your own 111 00:11:41,299 --> 00:11:47,139 and you make those to your own and you change a little bit and don't just we are we are talking 112 00:11:47,139 --> 00:11:55,340 about just copying from the ai and pasting uh for for the tasam project we are uh here dealing with 113 00:11:55,340 --> 00:12:01,259 and correcting as a teacher here so they have to create by by their own and change by their own 114 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:07,500 the thing we're saying is um if you use ai properly you wouldn't be able to distinguish 115 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:14,460 if that job was done by ai or by a person that's a huge problem yes because you can you can still 116 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:21,019 humanize um you know with ai the the content you're providing so i think the only way is 117 00:12:21,019 --> 00:12:30,220 but there are still traces of ai if if you as a teacher read different works you can 118 00:12:31,179 --> 00:12:37,179 search and find some traces from ai and you can say that's not original from a student it's not 119 00:12:37,179 --> 00:12:42,700 just that what happens now is that this is only going to get better yeah so in the future yeah 120 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:49,340 there's going to be a point that the only way is you yourself you want to learn you need to put in 121 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:56,139 place the barriers and and use it responsibly like we were talking about before and you have 122 00:12:56,139 --> 00:13:02,059 to know that if you deliver um an assignment or some task or whatever done by ai you're not really 123 00:13:02,059 --> 00:13:08,620 learning anything and it's your um your personal responsibility to to take care of your learning 124 00:13:09,659 --> 00:13:14,940 and use it properly i think it's the only way really okay yeah why don't we go further with 125 00:13:14,940 --> 00:13:20,460 this with this topic i have some questions for you guys to to make a reflection of all this uh 126 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:26,620 would you like to have a near future in which your children are taught with ai at school 127 00:13:27,419 --> 00:13:33,019 or do you think it will be better educated with ai tools and software at the school 128 00:13:34,620 --> 00:13:39,580 what do you guys think about children i think that we don't have a chance i mean it would be just 129 00:13:39,580 --> 00:13:54,620 one direction, the big opportunity of including these technologies in our actual way of learning. 130 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:59,740 I fully agree, because I want to remark what Borja just said about the process of learning, 131 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:03,539 because this is what we have to take care of, maybe because we are teachers, or maybe 132 00:14:03,539 --> 00:14:09,620 because we are using the these tools and uh we are forgetting the way of learning because uh 133 00:14:09,620 --> 00:14:16,259 we just want the results and this is something that we we need to be i don't know self uh 134 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:23,620 i know i don't know how to say it uh self-aware self-aware self-responsible 135 00:14:24,179 --> 00:14:30,659 to be to the to define uh our own process of learning applied to ourselves i mean every 136 00:14:30,659 --> 00:14:40,019 everyone um as as because uh you know uh what could differentiate one you know people from other 137 00:14:40,019 --> 00:14:47,340 and in the future if we all do the same and or say the same there will be conversation even i mean 138 00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:55,360 it's a bit scary yeah it's scary i think so would you guys consider as essential the role of a 139 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:03,940 role of teachers in the future classroom or do you think we are going through the AI education 140 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:11,259 do you guys think that we as teachers are going to be essential our role is essential in the future 141 00:15:11,259 --> 00:15:19,179 if everything is I don't know technological and connected with AI for for the student for me I 142 00:15:19,179 --> 00:15:26,460 think yes why yeah I'll put you an example right now I am I'm enrolled in a 143 00:15:26,460 --> 00:15:32,899 in a guitar course and it's fully online right and this is just online lessons 144 00:15:32,899 --> 00:15:37,000 and it's really cold and you don't have that human interaction but there's one 145 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,200 thing you do that you record yourself and you send that in another person 146 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:47,259 records himself giving you the feedback and that is that is when the learning 147 00:15:47,259 --> 00:15:54,080 happens you know like those um few experiences that i had like sending myself in a video and 148 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:00,019 having another human being reply to that it has so much value like you cannot replicate that with 149 00:16:00,019 --> 00:16:08,419 with an ai and with a machine i think for us we're safe because we're going to be necessary i i think 150 00:16:08,419 --> 00:16:15,279 yeah and what about the discipline required in in classrooms do you think that only students with 151 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:22,440 I don't know a laptop or AI connected through a computer is going to be enough what about the 152 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:31,220 discipline we have to give to our children that make makes us indispensable I think well I wanted 153 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:37,840 to say that for me the role of the teacher will be always key I mean we have to evolve and we have 154 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:44,320 to learn as well how to do it but if you if you take a look to the this report 155 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:50,980 from the big five I mean McKinsey or Garner they they always talk about the 156 00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:58,059 the figure of the of the teacher because I mean at this point the the last figure 157 00:16:58,059 --> 00:17:02,000 I read was that we can be 158 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,140 automatized by 15%. 159 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:09,619 Maybe a developer can be automatized by 160 00:17:09,619 --> 00:17:13,740 90%. So our, I mean, we're not 161 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:16,799 uploading machines. We are, you know, 162 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,980 giving some knowledge to other humans. So as we 163 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:25,920 are not... Yeah, we're just talking about the future in 164 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:33,400 10 years yeah but but the human part of uh our work i think we have to potentiate that yeah 165 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:43,200 yeah i think so too yeah so uh but your your first question was the second one yeah i i 166 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,740 the second one do you think that uh the children will be better educated 167 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:56,440 at the schools with AI in the future or with teachers well on one way I think that it will be 168 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:03,240 the good news is that it will shorten the you know the differences between I mean if you don't 169 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:11,140 have this access to this technology you weren't you're not able to you know to evolve or to to 170 00:18:11,140 --> 00:18:19,859 learn uh yeah think about the people that um you know they they they are born in in 171 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:28,980 depressed uh cities or i mean very poor cities they will not be able to to access to this 172 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:37,940 technology uh until now i mean uh it's so easy and cheap to access to it so probably they they 173 00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:43,799 can be developed themselves. 174 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:49,740 We don't know the potential of the intelligence of some people, because they are more focused 175 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:56,940 on getting some food, because they have other necessities, you know. 176 00:18:56,940 --> 00:18:57,940 Yeah. 177 00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:58,940 Yeah. 178 00:18:58,940 --> 00:18:59,940 And basically the... 179 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:00,940 So, this could help. 180 00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:01,940 Yeah. 181 00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:02,940 Potentially. 182 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:03,940 You think it's an equalizer, right? 183 00:19:03,940 --> 00:19:20,640 Well, it will shorten the gap, exactly, because it should be something that could be used by the third world and the first world at the same level, initially, potentially. 184 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:33,920 But we agree that the role of the teachers is going to be essential in the future as well, because an AI software cannot transmit as much as teachers as we are doing right now. 185 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:39,599 You asked the question if our children are going to be better educated, but it's so hard to answer. 186 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:45,519 In the future, yeah, we are just telling hypotheses in the future. 187 00:19:46,180 --> 00:19:57,819 I mean, the education has to evolve as well, because a long time ago, we asked our students to memorize a list of kings from the... 188 00:19:57,819 --> 00:19:59,400 I was going to say exactly the same thing. 189 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,119 Education has already a lot of room for improvement. 190 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:09,339 We could be doing things so much better with or without AI. 191 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:13,299 But is it going to be better because of AI? 192 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,720 I think it could and it should. 193 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,579 It could, yeah. 194 00:20:15,579 --> 00:20:21,700 But with teachers developing and managing AI software 195 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:27,380 to provide the students the best education and the best content. 196 00:20:27,819 --> 00:20:35,299 Yeah, but I don't think the right way is for us to be policemen, like checking if everything was done by AI or not. 197 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:43,660 Because I think the focus should be in educating people how to use AI properly and making them responsible for their own learning. 198 00:20:45,099 --> 00:20:51,180 And then we can talk about the other things, because if this means we're going to be checking, OK, did you do this or did the AI do this? 199 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:55,559 We spend all our resources there. I don't think education is going to improve that much. 200 00:20:55,559 --> 00:21:00,559 I think we still need to learn how to live with AI really for this to happen. 201 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:08,240 I just wanted to add that maybe in this evolution we'll have to find maybe new competencies 202 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:17,500 or soft skills or something because what the future students will need different things 203 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:26,619 that we what we needed uh before yeah because uh i mean just if you just use uh uh you know with 204 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:33,339 google lens uh yeah and you want to translate uh you know some text on any language it will be easy 205 00:21:33,339 --> 00:21:40,140 you don't have to learn the language the whole language to translate it so this i'm not saying 206 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:46,140 that it will replace it and i think that a learning languages is is always good especially 207 00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:53,319 you learn to talk with other people but uh of course it will uh it would be a very powerful 208 00:21:53,319 --> 00:22:01,799 you know tool for um you know making more things or or or making improve improving yes 209 00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:08,539 yeah yeah that's true it's obvious that we as teachers need to learn how to teach in the future 210 00:22:08,539 --> 00:22:16,279 with ai that's basically our point here okay we can move to the second step a second block 211 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:23,539 which is ai in video games and cinema and first of all i'm going to to play a couple of audios 212 00:22:23,539 --> 00:22:29,019 that we are we have here from from a student and for another teacher as well so we are going to 213 00:22:29,019 --> 00:22:34,740 play it and then we are going to give our opinion on this okay sure let's start with the student's 214 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:50,470 we can just listen to this you want to listen okay I'm going to try to explain 215 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:54,670 this as quickly as I can because I just got one minute we'll enjoy AI right for 216 00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:58,869 films video games jobs daily labels or whatever I'm going to speak about this 217 00:22:58,869 --> 00:23:03,289 in the drama and acting productions industry the main the main sign of the 218 00:23:03,289 --> 00:23:09,009 humanities improvement we all know that back in the 60s we got practical effects 219 00:23:09,009 --> 00:23:16,369 using different point points of views or point of views a couple of years after we got cgi which is 220 00:23:16,369 --> 00:23:24,609 virtual um virtual visual effects and now we we have ai of course as a tool that's a huge 221 00:23:24,609 --> 00:23:33,730 improvement that's that that's right but we only should trust it as a tool not as a work maker 222 00:23:34,609 --> 00:23:43,069 the last week i saw a commercial fully done with ai and i wonder how many jobs did that took off 223 00:23:43,069 --> 00:23:49,390 interesting okay let's play the the second one from the teacher do you want to comment on this 224 00:23:49,390 --> 00:23:55,309 one you want to go on this yeah because yeah you will forget what he said and you want to go 225 00:23:57,390 --> 00:24:05,069 okay he said that it's a tool but it's not a job maker and yeah maybe some people are going to be 226 00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:13,230 laid off that's a main concern with ai um but i think there's no way around that i mean the 227 00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:20,670 job landscape is going to change so much and it's a problem but at the same time 228 00:24:20,670 --> 00:24:26,509 we're going to lose some jobs but we're going to create new ones as well and maybe this will allow 229 00:24:26,509 --> 00:24:32,829 i don't know um may not as many people will will have to work in order for this society to 230 00:24:32,829 --> 00:24:39,630 to function you know so we don't really know what's going to happen and he said also that 231 00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:46,170 it's not a job maker well it could certainly improve practically every job you can think 232 00:24:46,170 --> 00:24:52,369 of it's a tool that is going to make things easier but yeah we don't know what's going 233 00:24:52,369 --> 00:24:57,829 to happen with people's jobs and how that's going to change what do you think well i think 234 00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:04,630 that uh there's there could be a threat for you know uh all the things that cannot be 235 00:25:06,309 --> 00:25:15,589 or uh that can be automatized very easily but i i strongly disagree that this is not a job maker 236 00:25:15,589 --> 00:25:22,470 because uh there are new jobs because of this uh you can find just you know prom engineers 237 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:28,789 from engineer this is this is coming from scratch there were no problem engineer before this new 238 00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:38,710 wave of ai uh even you know uh i have to remark that the ai uh as as as as you know yeah 239 00:25:40,309 --> 00:25:49,509 designated as this name it comes from the 1950s from the um from alan turing and other 240 00:25:49,509 --> 00:26:02,190 mathematics that learned how to build algorithms to replace or to imitate the human brain or 241 00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:10,950 the human cognition so I think that of course there will be new ways of you know and new 242 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:18,630 jobs probably some older jobs will disappear or evolve to you know to other to a new ones yeah 243 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:23,769 i completely agree with you guys what about the specifically this point related to video games and 244 00:26:23,769 --> 00:26:39,109 cinema let's listen to the following audio and let's comment on how it goes i think you can feel 245 00:26:39,109 --> 00:26:44,490 alive because of artificial intelligence i think ai turns simple rules into surprising moment 246 00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:48,490 Enemies that learn to make that adapt won't react. 247 00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:53,490 A thing that makes every playthrough unique instead of repetitive. 248 00:26:53,490 --> 00:27:00,490 I think AI helps stories change based on your choices, so your game feels personal. 249 00:27:00,490 --> 00:27:03,490 I think it also makes gameplay smarter. 250 00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:09,490 Better opponents, more believable NPCs and challenges that escape with your skill. 251 00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:17,490 I think procedural content powered by AI can create new levels and ideas we wouldn't have in my game otherwise. 252 00:27:17,490 --> 00:27:26,490 I think the best game uses AI to surprise you, not to frustrate you, to enhance fans, not to replace it. 253 00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:33,490 I think that AI doesn't just improve games, it makes them memorable. 254 00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:43,589 well what do you guys think about it because i can maybe you completely agree or disagree 255 00:27:43,589 --> 00:27:50,890 no i agree i agree i disagree i disagree yeah i'm gonna start okay it is maybe obvious that 256 00:27:50,890 --> 00:27:58,170 for visual effects or for i don't know uh some technical uh words uh inside the video games i'm 257 00:27:58,170 --> 00:28:05,470 talking right now as a gamer related to to video games but uh do you guys think that ai could be a 258 00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:14,230 huge step um for example in the field of scripts and conversations from for the characters do you 259 00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:22,309 guys think that ai can create and make good script dialogues and conversation for the npcs or 260 00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:28,630 characters inside the video game than i don't know another writer a human writer cannot do 261 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:36,789 do you think that that could be original or ai is going to take different pieces from different 262 00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:43,029 scripts and conversation and dialogue for another from from the data the ai has and 263 00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:50,650 is it going to be original or do you need a human writer developing developing those scripts and 264 00:28:50,650 --> 00:28:56,210 and conversation in the narrative i'm talking about the in the narrative uh of the video games 265 00:28:56,210 --> 00:29:01,130 maybe for visual effects it's it's pretty cool and it's amazing what we have here with with 266 00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:07,250 ai right now in video games but in in the narrative uh part or point what do you guys think 267 00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:16,269 about it you want to go um i i just want to say that uh i mean because uh gaming and cinema i mean 268 00:29:16,269 --> 00:29:23,390 can be considered as art in the art you know there are different rules that apply so um and 269 00:29:23,390 --> 00:29:29,670 And especially in the entertainment industry, because I don't think that it's necessary 270 00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:38,109 to have a human originating the content, as long as it's interesting or attractive to 271 00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:40,509 the people that will consume. 272 00:29:40,509 --> 00:29:47,809 So you can find this in the art, paintings, music, and so on. 273 00:29:47,809 --> 00:30:06,009 I mean, of course, as an artist, the neo-artist, we have to play maybe different concepts as, you know, in all these ways, but not always has to be fully made by this human. 274 00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:07,950 Okay, that's my opinion. 275 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:14,710 It's a pity we didn't bring any examples, because I think we could find some scripts 276 00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:18,630 written by AI or written by a person you wouldn't be able to tell. 277 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:25,710 But do you think those scripts are taken from any other video game? 278 00:30:25,710 --> 00:30:27,170 Yeah, it's not original. 279 00:30:27,170 --> 00:30:28,170 Of course. 280 00:30:28,170 --> 00:30:33,869 Where is the passion of a writer writing the dialogues of the characters? 281 00:30:33,869 --> 00:30:36,230 But I think he said something very interesting. 282 00:30:36,509 --> 00:30:38,849 You have to distinguish between the final product 283 00:30:38,849 --> 00:30:41,349 and the job of the artist. 284 00:30:41,529 --> 00:30:43,549 Because you as an artist, you want to express yourself. 285 00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:45,190 You want to do things yourself. 286 00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:46,650 You want to create your story. 287 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:47,569 You want to play your music. 288 00:30:47,710 --> 00:30:50,769 You want to paint your painting yourself 289 00:30:50,769 --> 00:30:52,849 because you need to express yourself. 290 00:30:52,849 --> 00:30:55,190 But you as a watcher, as a consumer, 291 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:59,170 if the art is of quality, is good, 292 00:30:59,569 --> 00:31:01,230 does it matter what it comes from? 293 00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:07,089 like i think that's that's the debate yeah it could be could be i don't know could be amazing 294 00:31:07,089 --> 00:31:13,650 but it's not original if it is taking things from different data the definition of original 295 00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:18,809 is i'm gonna take this conversation from this video game that one from that one that one from 296 00:31:18,809 --> 00:31:24,670 that one i'm gonna create something that it's not a trustworthy for me i think the problem is 297 00:31:24,670 --> 00:31:37,490 You're not seeing AI as a tool, because we already had some tools that helped us in these matters, like, I don't know, creating art for video games. 298 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:39,089 We already had that, you know. 299 00:31:39,450 --> 00:31:42,670 But right now we have something much more powerful, but it's still a tool. 300 00:31:42,890 --> 00:31:45,089 But AI doesn't understand of feelings. 301 00:31:45,589 --> 00:31:51,170 So why is it going to be a shocking story if AI doesn't understand anything about feelings? 302 00:31:51,549 --> 00:31:53,490 AI is used by someone. 303 00:31:53,849 --> 00:31:54,369 Interesting. 304 00:31:54,670 --> 00:32:05,490 I disagree with you because I think that AI is more, no, no, I'm talking about, let's 305 00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:12,490 say that AI doesn't have feelings, but it's very able to identify them, okay? 306 00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:13,970 Because he's- 307 00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:16,670 From another different previous video. 308 00:32:17,369 --> 00:32:22,589 That's right, because imagine one, you know, a writer with a different influence from different 309 00:32:22,589 --> 00:32:24,049 previous writers. 310 00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:30,650 you create something is it original it is no no it's composed you're not taking exactly the same 311 00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:37,450 fragments no no no but you're still inspired by other people i mean we we all we all so ai get 312 00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:41,049 get inspired from from inspiration from all of us 313 00:32:41,049 --> 00:32:49,569 so we are talking about ai data not inspiration and feelings but it's still data it's different 314 00:32:49,569 --> 00:32:52,089 What another writer did is still data. 315 00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:53,769 Yeah, but it's not feelings and inspiration. 316 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:56,609 So data is feelings and inspiration, 317 00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:58,069 but it's just information. 318 00:33:00,009 --> 00:33:02,109 Almost every, I mean, 319 00:33:02,769 --> 00:33:04,569 any emotion can be... 320 00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:05,670 Replicated. 321 00:33:06,069 --> 00:33:07,210 Not replicated. 322 00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:10,210 Can be described, you know, 323 00:33:10,289 --> 00:33:13,170 even with technical data, you know. 324 00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:13,829 Yeah. 325 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:16,390 At some, until, you know, 326 00:33:17,049 --> 00:33:19,450 there will be some point that 327 00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:26,490 probably it's very difficult to to do it but in in terms of uh you know the activation let's say 328 00:33:27,009 --> 00:33:33,269 imagine that you are very angry you know you shout i mean for an ai it's very 329 00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:43,589 easy to understand that you are disappointed yes so uh that means that the you have a negative 330 00:33:43,589 --> 00:33:54,869 feeling and strong activation. Imagine that you are extremely happy. You are activating the same 331 00:33:54,869 --> 00:34:03,670 energy, but your emotion is very negative. AI is able to identify as well. Do we have that 332 00:34:03,670 --> 00:34:11,349 right now or we are going to have that in the future? So why don't we have a pretty nice film 333 00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:19,190 as godfather or braveheart right now created by ai where are the video games created by ai 334 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:26,389 right now that are as as good as others created by humans where are they have you heard how many 335 00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:30,750 people are losing their jobs in the yeah but that's another that's another conversation 336 00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:36,409 what is the feel and the video game that can compete with another video game or film 337 00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:42,630 awarded because of the creativity or what is that video game that you are talking about 338 00:34:42,630 --> 00:34:49,210 what is the name i don't know i don't know the precise name but that's all i have to say i can 339 00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:53,210 assure you i can assure you the video games you play right now what is that video game 340 00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:59,610 because people are losing their jobs tell me the name i can tell you the last of us the last of us 341 00:34:59,610 --> 00:35:07,610 for example is created by ai or humans what is the ai video game created by ai 342 00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:13,050 as good as the last of us seems to be that you are defending you know the human being 343 00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:14,550 from you know the evil 344 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:24,309 no no no it's good for visual effects and all the technical part perfect but what about the 345 00:35:24,309 --> 00:35:29,190 scripts dialogues and conversation and feelings and emotion i know what you mean but 346 00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:33,329 What you're saying is not true, there is not emotion in these projects. 347 00:35:33,329 --> 00:35:37,449 There is emotion in these projects, there are creators that still their feelings are 348 00:35:37,449 --> 00:35:44,610 guiding their decisions, but they are using AI as a tool still, yeah. 349 00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:49,110 Have you seen any movie that you, I mean, it doesn't thrill you that you're not connecting 350 00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:50,110 with the film? 351 00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:57,170 Yes, of course, it could happen with humans as well, so what I mean is there will be a 352 00:35:57,170 --> 00:36:03,550 A new wave, I mean, a new era of new production. 353 00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:09,010 We don't have the films right now as good as the others we have created by humans. 354 00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:10,909 We don't have those films on video games now. 355 00:36:11,429 --> 00:36:13,829 We have AI to support. 356 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:15,869 Well, let's talk about cinema. 357 00:36:16,269 --> 00:36:16,750 Yeah, yeah. 358 00:36:16,869 --> 00:36:17,210 Avatar. 359 00:36:17,949 --> 00:36:19,769 Next Avatar. 360 00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:23,130 How much AI is inside this film? 361 00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:24,230 It's made by humans. 362 00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:30,309 but maybe we have to put it in some somehow you know and made by humans i mean if you 363 00:36:30,869 --> 00:36:36,949 because you are not worried about this i will be worried if the scripts and conversation and 364 00:36:36,949 --> 00:36:43,269 narrative part is created by ai but you how are you going to differentiate which part is created 365 00:36:43,269 --> 00:36:51,829 by who because i think that the good thing is that it's a productivity tool in the end so the script 366 00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:59,289 writers we will be able to to write more with these tools so of course but you need a script 367 00:36:59,289 --> 00:37:04,849 writers yes of course and then i'm not saying i'm not saying we don't need humans we we yeah 368 00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:11,210 as a tool it's okay we need humans more than before i think the problem is you're imagining 369 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:17,750 someone someone there please make me a film yeah that's my that's my point that's my point i i i 370 00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:19,010 But it's not like that. 371 00:37:19,050 --> 00:37:19,670 I'm a friend of that. 372 00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:20,610 It's not like that. 373 00:37:20,869 --> 00:37:22,369 Right now it's not. 374 00:37:22,369 --> 00:37:22,769 It could be. 375 00:37:22,829 --> 00:37:23,369 Right now it's not. 376 00:37:23,489 --> 00:37:29,130 It could be in the future that create a film in which you have this character, this script, and that's all. 377 00:37:29,309 --> 00:37:29,449 Boom. 378 00:37:29,989 --> 00:37:32,909 And who will decide that this makes sense or not? 379 00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:33,610 I don't know. 380 00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:34,090 The consumers? 381 00:37:34,289 --> 00:37:34,989 I'm worried about it. 382 00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:39,489 If there's a market, there will be this, you know, this industry. 383 00:37:39,929 --> 00:37:40,070 Yeah. 384 00:37:40,889 --> 00:37:41,710 Let's see in the future. 385 00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:42,210 Let's see. 386 00:37:42,949 --> 00:37:45,889 I have to agree with you that it's a pretty sad future. 387 00:37:46,309 --> 00:37:47,449 There are no people involved. 388 00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:54,869 I had to agree with you but maybe we will enjoy better films I don't have a clue we don't have to 389 00:37:54,869 --> 00:38:01,030 but we'll see we'll see we can assure you that as a tool is being used today of course of course 390 00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:05,289 I agree with that in a lot of things we see right now because there are people losing their jobs 391 00:38:05,289 --> 00:38:15,150 basically so yeah I don't know I have many many advantages for for the AI and disadvantages as 392 00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:22,630 well but i don't know uh i don't know if you want to add anything else i have a couple of questions 393 00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:31,030 to maybe to finish the podcast i would like to say because because uh borja said i don't know 394 00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:36,510 if twice or more uh times uh the thing about losing their job i mean i i would like to 395 00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:43,550 i mean send a message that we don't have to be worried about our jobs i mean that i mean 396 00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:51,550 the industry will be transformed but and we need to evolve to other uh ways of uh you know adding 397 00:38:51,550 --> 00:39:02,349 value to our society and so on but um probably if you want to be uh you know uh a developer 398 00:39:02,349 --> 00:39:09,309 you will have to learn very quickly this kind of tools because uh all all your peers will be 399 00:39:09,309 --> 00:39:11,369 very productive 400 00:39:11,369 --> 00:39:14,230 with them you know with these tools 401 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:16,190 so it will affect 402 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:16,969 in the way of 403 00:39:16,969 --> 00:39:19,710 where we have been doing 404 00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:22,150 certain things because we are going to 405 00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:24,050 do this using these tools 406 00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:25,889 yeah and 407 00:39:25,889 --> 00:39:27,750 as a tool it's obvious that 408 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:29,869 it's pretty useful for example I have 409 00:39:29,869 --> 00:39:32,030 here two video games in which 410 00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:34,250 for example for the dynamic difficulty 411 00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:35,309 adjustment 412 00:39:35,309 --> 00:39:37,670 Left 4 Dead you guys know Left 4 Dead 413 00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:45,369 They have an AI director to manage game patient and difficulty and it adjusts according to the gamer 414 00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:50,409 So that's that's good for for the gamer and it's adjustment 415 00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:53,769 Yeah, I like that. Well, that's fine 416 00:39:54,949 --> 00:40:01,590 Okay, that's fine. Yes another video game no man's sky. Do you guys know no man's sky? No, my sister has a 417 00:40:02,429 --> 00:40:03,989 procedural content generation 418 00:40:03,989 --> 00:40:10,469 So a lot of planets, creatures, plants are created once you arrive to those planets. 419 00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:15,429 AI creates all the planets and all the content inside. 420 00:40:15,769 --> 00:40:17,289 So that's cool as well. 421 00:40:18,289 --> 00:40:28,829 Imagine, you know, in the future of the film industry, I mean, me personally, I consume a lot of TV series and so on. 422 00:40:28,889 --> 00:40:32,230 But I would like to have more interactive content. 423 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:38,710 imagine that you use the ai to a certain point at certain point you know decide what the main 424 00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:46,150 character do uh with your cell phone you mean when you're watching it i mean it's a neat way from 425 00:40:46,949 --> 00:40:52,949 you know having a video game that is more like choose your own story yes that's it so i think 426 00:40:52,949 --> 00:40:58,949 we we are very near to to do this kind of things and we need this kind of tools by the way but i 427 00:40:58,949 --> 00:41:02,489 I would like to have this in my coming future 428 00:41:02,489 --> 00:41:03,510 as soon as possible 429 00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:05,809 because you can decide the outcome 430 00:41:05,809 --> 00:41:08,190 of a certain situation or, you know. 431 00:41:08,449 --> 00:41:09,110 As soon as possible 432 00:41:09,110 --> 00:41:11,590 because then I wouldn't have to watch bad endings 433 00:41:11,590 --> 00:41:13,289 or boring films. 434 00:41:13,469 --> 00:41:13,789 That's it, that's it. 435 00:41:13,789 --> 00:41:15,010 Just boring, come on. 436 00:41:15,309 --> 00:41:15,449 Yes. 437 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:16,670 Action scene right now. 438 00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:17,150 Yes. 439 00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:20,050 So would you decide a fight or, you know, 440 00:41:20,349 --> 00:41:22,449 do you go on a road trip? 441 00:41:22,889 --> 00:41:24,730 In your case, it's going to be shooting all the time 442 00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:25,409 and action, right? 443 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:27,550 Yes, yeah, action, action, action, yeah. 444 00:41:27,550 --> 00:41:33,750 that's cool yeah that would be cool and what about the neural net processing the dlss 445 00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:43,130 neural well what do you mean dlss scale up graphics boost video games i can play video 446 00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:49,929 games yeah absolutely i am a graphics cards and nowadays they use frame generation ai frame 447 00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:57,369 generation and that allows us with cheaper computers to play really high 448 00:41:57,369 --> 00:42:03,130 graphics. The deep learning, super sampling. Thanks AI already for this because you 449 00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:07,150 can spend very little money and you can have ray tracing and all this cool stuff. 450 00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:13,510 Increased performance and frames per second a lot. Yeah that's our point 451 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:19,170 that AI is good but I think you need to see it as a tool like if you see as a 452 00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:25,150 replacement for human beings is pretty tough yeah that's a downside or drawback as well 453 00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:30,190 because for example i have here that in microsoft there are a lot of fighting 454 00:42:30,190 --> 00:42:38,369 yeah for workers because of ai as well microsoft is one of the largest gaming developers and 455 00:42:38,369 --> 00:42:43,989 recently announced huge layoff in its gaming division that's what we're talking about they 456 00:42:43,989 --> 00:42:52,070 are investing a lot in AI and we'll see how it ends. I think that I mean most of the companies 457 00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:59,489 regularly you know they fire a thousand of employees just to manage their share 458 00:42:59,489 --> 00:43:09,730 Amazon Web Services did the same and I would not be able to say that it's because of AI 459 00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:19,090 because I think it's a like a cycle to you know to manage the headcounts 460 00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:27,019 globally and optimize the structure I mean it could happen for many reasons 461 00:43:27,019 --> 00:43:35,280 but I think AI has a role like nowadays in some layoffs we maybe we cannot know 462 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,760 how much yeah but I feel it does have an impact but but it's like you say you we 463 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:47,179 need to adapt and we need to learn new skills like right now for example in the 464 00:43:47,179 --> 00:43:53,719 location field is is booming with AI academies everywhere I don't know be 465 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,519 proficient with these tools become a productive and then you becoming maybe 466 00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:04,380 indispensable for a company so there's hope we would we would don't want to say 467 00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:12,380 that everything is going to be downhill from here well we'll we'll see there is hope for this 468 00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:19,340 of course and don't forget the message that that you know it ai avoids or fight 469 00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:26,460 inequalities in i mean you know at the global level because uh yes the access to technology is 470 00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:34,860 is easier I mean right now we'll see the impact in in a few years what happened we don't even 471 00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:40,139 know what what are you going to happen in five or ten years or twenty years let's say 472 00:44:40,139 --> 00:44:44,920 two or three years we don't have to be in a rush don't be in a rush please no what I 473 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:52,880 mean is that it this pace that you know AI is adding to everything to all the businesses 474 00:44:52,880 --> 00:45:00,239 it will cause that they they will transform or die very quickly so um yeah 475 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:11,199 two three years probably you know because i mean when did uh open ai appear uh two years 476 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,960 or so yeah two years so and look at the first steps for the ai yeah 477 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,679 Yeah, we'll see. 478 00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:21,079 We can develop this. 479 00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:23,719 Sometimes they go too fast with the predictions 480 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,000 because I think for 2025, 481 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,260 they were saying we already were going to have an AI 482 00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:33,500 that's going to be able to do everything a human is able to do. 483 00:45:33,619 --> 00:45:35,360 And that didn't happen. 484 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,239 So, I don't know. 485 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,300 Let's see how it evolves, maybe. 486 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:44,260 Yeah, we can continue this debate in the following episode 487 00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:53,179 And we can continue the AI debate for the following blocks of content we are creating. 488 00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:05,840 So, if you want to add anything else, we can stop here and tell the students to be aware of our podcast for the next step and for the following debates. 489 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,179 Sure. 490 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:07,960 Yes. 491 00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:08,659 Okay. 492 00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:09,880 See you guys. 493 00:46:10,019 --> 00:46:10,280 Goodbye. 494 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,380 See you guys. 495 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,019 Hope you enjoyed. 496 00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:12,519 Yeah. 497 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000 Keep in touch with us. 498 00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:15,260 Bye. 499 00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:16,260 Bye. 500 00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:16,760 Bye bye.