0 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Well, good morning to everyone in this second and last webinar. 1 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,000 The first thing is to remind you, within this course of coordinators with BGEDU, 2 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 that you have to sign the assistance. 3 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 You have received an email, your email from Educamadrid, 4 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,000 in which you are indicated exactly the instructions to make that follow-up 5 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:07,000 and, therefore, that it is registered that you are following this session in a synchronous way. 6 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000 It is a pleasure to be here today with Lucia Atena, 7 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Delegate in the Data Protection of Public Educational Centers of the Community in Madrid. 8 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Welcome. 9 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Thank you. 10 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Thank you very much for being with us and with Jorge Castellanos, 11 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 former high school professor of computer science, 12 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,000 and currently, he is also a technician in the Data Protection Delegation. 13 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Thank you very much for coming. 14 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Thank you. 15 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Well, that's exactly what we're going to be talking about 16 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 throughout this little while of data protection, 17 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 how it affects data protection in our daily lives, 18 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 with our students, in our classes. 19 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,000 And I would like to divide the session into two parts, 20 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,000 one part, the most analogous, 21 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 which sometimes seems to be data protection, 22 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,000 because we are only talking when we talk about digital elements, 23 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 digital tools, platforms, 24 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 but really, data protection affects, 25 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 affects the day-to-day in many of the activities 26 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,000 we do in the development of those teaching units 27 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 in the classroom with our students. 28 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 In that sense, I would like to ask you 29 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,000 what questions we must take into account in our day-to-day 30 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 when we do not use the digital, 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 but that does link to the data protection law. 32 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 I ask the question, you can answer both, 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 you can complement and without problem. 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Yes, of course, data protection must always be taken into account, 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,000 not only in the analogical field, 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,000 but also in the analogical. 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,000 We are constantly treating personal data, 38 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 from that we have to be very aware, 39 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 and we not only treat it when we upload it to platforms, 40 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,000 but also when we make a list, 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 we publish the lists, 42 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 when we write, for example, in the agenda of the students, 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 the agendas that go and come to the house, 44 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 because there we are putting personal data, 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,000 so we have to be aware that we are using it 46 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 very often, every day, 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 and I hope that throughout this talk 48 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 there are some points that must be taken into account 49 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 when doing this data treatment. 50 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,000 I don't know, I just, as a teacher, 51 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 this is something that we are not used to, 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 as teachers, usually, 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 and you end up taking the grades, you take them home, 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 you go on the bus with them, you take them in your bag, 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 in a backpack, and at a given moment you can lose 56 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 the grades of your students, 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 because it is generating a security breach. 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 It is something that very few people know, 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 because you have lost the grades or you have lost exams, 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 maybe taking the exams home to correct them, 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 missing exams, 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,000 we have already received the teacher's report, 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 not only do we have to apply data protection 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 to the digital elements, 65 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 but also to the analog elements, 66 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 so we have to be careful, 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 or where do I leave my students' exams, 68 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 or if I leave the grades open 69 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 on top of the teacher's room 70 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 so that anyone can see them. 71 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 All that, we are getting a lot of inquiries. 72 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 It happens to us, for example, 73 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 with the guardrails 74 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 of the institutes and schools, 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 where usually in the teacher's room 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 you would find the teacher's name that was missing 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 and the class where you had to go. 78 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 There are teachers who complain, 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 why do they have to be my classmates, 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000 that I would have been bad if they were not on guard. 81 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 So, all that, you have to be a little aware, 82 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,000 that they are data, 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 and that you have to adhere to some principles 84 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 that the legislation states. 85 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 It always has to be the minimum, 86 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,000 essential data to do our job, 87 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 and take care of all the data 88 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 that we work with. 89 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 In that sense, 90 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 and also because each educational centre 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 is its own ecosystem, 92 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 we have primary and secondary 93 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 educational centres, 94 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 we have adult centres, 95 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 we have language schools, 96 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 we have special educational needs centres. 97 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 These students also have different ages 98 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,000 in each of these stages, 99 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 in each of these centres. 100 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,000 What are those ages, 101 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 let's say, 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 borders on which we can work 103 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 in a different way or not, 104 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 precisely depending on the types 105 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 of centres and depending on the type 106 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,000 of student we are working with. 107 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 That is, there are teachers who are 108 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 perhaps teaching 109 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 primary and secondary students, 110 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 but also high school students 111 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 or high school students, 112 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,000 so in the end, the age mix is broad. 113 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 What are those lines, 114 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 let's say, legislatively marked 115 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 by which the treatment can be different? 116 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 We have, for example, 117 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 CEPAS in high schools. 118 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Yes, I think the first thing 119 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 that should be differentiated 120 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,000 is between adults and minors. 121 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,000 By the time they turn 18, 122 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 they are already adults, 123 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 so they can make their own decisions, 124 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 but they do have to be very careful 125 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 with minors. 126 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Minors, throughout the whole regulation, 127 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 in the General Data Protection Regulation, 128 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,000 are constantly referred to 129 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000 as a vulnerable group. 130 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 We also have to adopt 131 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 some measures, such as 132 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,000 weight analysis 133 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 and impact assessments, 134 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 which we will explain later. 135 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Those words you use, 136 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 analysis, risks, impact assessment, 137 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 we will get to that, 138 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 because it is a vocabulary 139 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 that must be handled. 140 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 And when it comes to minors, 141 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 impact assessments must be done, 142 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 as established by the Spanish 143 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Data Protection Agency and the Regulation. 144 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 We have to take into account 145 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 that it is collected in the Organic Data Protection Law, 146 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 which is 14 years old. 147 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 When a minor turns 14, 148 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 we can say that he has reached 149 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 his majority of age 150 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 in terms of 151 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 treating his image. 152 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 He can decide how he wants 153 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 to treat his own image. 154 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 The consent for the treatment of the image 155 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 is no longer given to the parents, 156 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,000 but to the minor. 157 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 And he decides, even if the father does not like it, 158 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 how he wants to treat his image. 159 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 But that does not mean that the minor 160 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 can make all the decisions 161 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 regarding the treatment of his data. 162 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,000 We are talking about images, 163 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 but simply to specify it. 164 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 We are talking about any fingerprint. 165 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 We are talking about the image, 166 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 or the voice, 167 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 or we are talking about what they can write 168 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 in a note. 169 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 In general, it is not only images, 170 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 but everything that can be, 171 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 let's say, 172 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 transferred, 173 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,000 we are the person who is doing it. 174 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 In fact, the Spanish Data Protection Agency 175 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 also says that you have to ask for consent 176 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 at the age of 14 for the use 177 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 of educational applications. 178 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 But hey, that's already 179 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 more complicated. 180 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Indeed, it is all the data treatment. 181 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 But the regulation establishes an exception 182 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 that says when it is for the celebration 183 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 of a legal business act 184 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 whose context is covered by the consent 185 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 for the treatment that depends 186 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 if a father is going to register 187 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 a minor in a centre, 188 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 the minor cannot say 189 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 I do not give you my data to register me. 190 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 That is, when it is in the exercise 191 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 of the patria potestà, 192 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 the parents make decisions. 193 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 That is, you have to bear in mind 194 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 that this refers 195 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 above all to the treatment 196 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 of images and the treatment 197 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 that is done in educational centres, 198 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 but not those businesses 199 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 that have that great importance 200 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 that the father who has a patria potestà has to exercise 201 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 such as the registration of the student 202 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 in the centre. 203 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 But for everything else, yes, from the age of 14 204 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 you have to ask for consent 205 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 to the minor, even if it is a minor. 206 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Perhaps the important thing is that in these educational activities 207 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Jorge, we are really thinking 208 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 what we really want to achieve 209 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 and educating the student is also 210 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 to know how to use them in a way 211 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 correct and adequate. 212 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Sure, I think 213 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 I do not know when I have read that it is 214 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 the first generation that does not have privacy. 215 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000 In fact, there are many parents who 216 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000 are dedicated to uploading photos of their children to social networks 217 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 practically since they are babies. 218 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 The kids start using platforms 219 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 like Instagram, for example, to upload 220 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 their photos at the age of 221 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 10 or 11, although the 222 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 platform itself ... How important it is also to know 223 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 how to configure all these elements 224 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 from the point of view of at least 225 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000 preserving some privacy. 226 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Yes, because if you are not 227 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 leaving all your activities there 228 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 and in the end ... 229 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 I had a case of a student 230 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 who, on Instagram, 231 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 had a harassment 232 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,000 procedure, but a harassment because they knew 233 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 when she was going to leave the house, 234 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 which bus she took, at what stop she got off 235 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 to go to class. 236 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 And this was many years ago. 237 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 And one day the girl arrived 238 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 and in class she had tears in her eyes. 239 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Can you talk to her? What's wrong with you? 240 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,000 There was a man who followed her every day. 241 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,000 He found her at the bus stop, 242 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,000 he got on the bus with her, 243 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 where she got off, she got off and followed her 244 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 to his door, to the 245 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 institute door. And that day 246 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 the man had already tried to get closer, 247 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 to talk to her more, and he always hits me a lot on the bus, 248 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 etc. Well, this man, 249 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 in the end, how did he get 250 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 all this information? 251 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 From what she posted. Because one morning 252 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 you get up and you are at the Renfe station, 253 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,000 and I have seen it. People who are at the Renfe station 254 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 and take the coffee that has been bought 255 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 and take a picture there as the train comes to get it, 256 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 to say, I'm here at the 257 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Renfe station from I don't know where. 258 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Well, if you don't have that well configured, 259 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 maybe they are not seeing only your 260 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Instagram friends. I say Instagram, 261 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 you can say any other platform. 262 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 I'm not saying it's a terrible platform, 263 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 nothing like that, we'll get into it later. 264 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 But what is that? It's a 265 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 simple example. 266 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 This generation, I think, 267 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 is growing up seeing that. 268 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Seeing that there are many people who are dedicated 269 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 to putting everything they do on the Internet 270 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 and themselves, I don't think they see the risk 271 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 that there is. This student of yours 272 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 was not aware that there was all that 273 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 on Instagram. 274 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,000 She was not aware. 275 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Not only what she did in three weeks, 276 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 she knew on the weekend if she was going somewhere, 277 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 where she was, etc. 278 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 And in the end, she ended up with a complaint 279 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,000 at the police station and with a restraining order. 280 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 I mean, it ended 281 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 a lot for her, especially because 282 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 the next day you have to go out 283 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 to the street, you are afraid. 284 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Maybe we have to differentiate 285 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 these two levels. 286 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 What tools do I use and how do I use them? 287 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,000 And how should I use them? In the classroom? 288 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 For educational purposes? 289 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Of course. 290 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 You have to decide if Instagram or not is a part 291 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 to use. Maybe it's also interesting 292 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 to use it precisely to show them 293 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 the good use and the bad use. 294 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Because in the end there is also that other part, 295 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 that is, as citizens who are 296 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 going to have to go out 297 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 with the risks and the current 298 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,000 problems that exist, they must also know 299 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 what are those problems that 300 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,000 may arise. So we have to educate 301 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,000 not only in the content, the subjects 302 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 and develop that digital competence from the point of view 303 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 didactic, methodological and 304 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 educational, but also educate 305 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 in the responsible use of not generating that 306 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 traceability and not leaving that mark. 307 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Maybe they are like the two 308 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 powerful elements to work in the classroom. 309 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,000 To work in privacy and that 310 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,000 if you want to put something, that you know 311 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,000 who is seeing that and that 312 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 they are not those people who see it. 313 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Because many times the applications when 314 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 you install them, the options by default 315 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,000 of privacy go to the minimum. 316 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,000 For example, on the page of the Spanish 317 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Data Protection Agency, there is 318 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,000 a section where it explains how 319 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 to apply privacy options in each 320 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 of the tools. 321 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 WhatsApp, TikTok, YouTube, etc. 322 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Put the best configuration option. 323 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000 And then on the subject of the age of 14 324 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,000 years, I did want to comment that 325 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 many of these platforms for use 326 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 also have a minimum age. 327 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 And most of them are usually 328 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 13, because I think the age 329 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 in the United States, which is where 330 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 most of these platforms usually originate, 331 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 then you have to be a little careful 332 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 between the age of use of a 333 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,000 certain platform and then 334 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,000 this age that Lucia has commented, 335 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 14 years, which marks the rule. 336 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000 That comes in handy in a guide 337 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,000 from the General Directorate of Youth 338 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 that has elaborated, 339 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 I don't know how it is, the use of the Internet 340 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,000 for peace, 341 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 which is very clear, 342 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,000 it is very well explained and we do 343 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 recommend it because it is 344 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 a very useful guide. 345 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 We can put in the forums 346 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 and in the course 347 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 the addresses of both 348 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 the Spanish Data Protection Agency 349 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 and also the 350 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Youth Agency 351 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 and all these 352 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 recommendations that can serve 353 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 to really know 354 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 the limits of use 355 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 of certain applications. 356 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 It doesn't matter what you said, 357 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 maybe I'm confused, 358 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 correct me if I'm wrong, 359 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 but you made a very interesting point. 360 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 All these applications 361 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 have an age 362 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 to be able to start using them 363 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,000 in private, not in education. 364 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 So maybe within that impact assessment, 365 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 that risk analysis, 366 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,000 what we could do, if the application itself 367 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 is not saying that a student can 368 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 use it from a certain age 369 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 to a certain age, it is already 370 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 saying that they should not be used, 371 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 at least at an educational level. 372 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 It is an important element to look for 373 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 if there are already recommendations 374 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,000 for the use of these applications 375 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,000 in their own applications. 376 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Let's go a little bit 377 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 back to the classroom. 378 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Let's talk about the qualifications 379 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,000 that we give to our students. 380 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Many times, as a teacher, 381 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,000 you hand out the exams 382 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 and there are the qualifications, 383 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 and the classmates see each other, 384 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 or you read the notes, 385 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 because it's the last five minutes of class 386 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 and you don't have time, 387 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 and you tell them the notes, 388 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,000 the qualifications they have obtained. 389 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Can we say in a loud voice 390 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 the qualifications to our students 391 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 in the classroom environment? 392 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 This is very well explained 393 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 in the guide of educational centers 394 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,000 of the Spanish Agency for Data Protection. 395 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000 It is not recommended to say 396 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 in a loud voice 397 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 the grades, 398 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 if you do it, 399 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 well, in a loud voice in the whole class 400 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000 it is not recommended, 401 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 but to say only to the interested person. 402 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 We do recommend 403 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 as far as the publication of the grades, 404 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 that they are not made 405 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 in advertising boards, 406 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 but that each student 407 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,000 is given his own qualification 408 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000 so that there can be no comparisons. 409 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 There are educational applications 410 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 such as Classdojo, 411 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 which also use 412 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 qualifications in some way. 413 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000 So, well, 414 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 I think that with that you have to be a little careful 415 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 and from the Spanish Agency for Data Protection 416 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 it is not recommended 417 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 to use it, but well, 418 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 it is not forbidden either. 419 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 I think that there is the common sense of each teacher 420 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,000 and that it also values 421 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 the characteristics of the student. 422 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Yes, well, sometimes you have to think 423 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,000 that saying the grades in a loud voice 424 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 in a class can even 425 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 generate that some students get bad grades, 426 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 etc. I have seen it sometimes 427 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 giving grades like this 428 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 that suddenly they laugh 429 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 a little at someone because they always get 430 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 10 and that day they get a 4 431 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000 or things like that. So, for example, 432 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000 what I recommend, which I know is not applicable 433 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000 to all levels, but what I did 434 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,000 in high school 435 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 when I was going to give the exams, I was going to give the grades, 436 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 I simply proposed some 437 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 activity that the students were doing in the classroom 438 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000 that they had to give me at the end 439 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000 of the hour and what I did is that I was calling them 440 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 one by one, they sat down with me, 441 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 I showed them the exam, I showed them the grade 442 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 and I also took the opportunity to give them feedback. 443 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Look, I have put this wrong for this, 444 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 I don't know how much this is, it seems to be fine, etc. 445 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 So, I have two functions, 446 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 I am protecting the privacy of their grades 447 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 and then I am also giving 448 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000 feedback on what they have done well, 449 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,000 what they have done wrong in the exam and if there is something 450 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,000 that is not conforming, they can tell me. 451 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,000 I mean, I understand that it is not applicable 452 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,000 to all levels, that it can take you more than an hour of class 453 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,000 because it has happened to me. 454 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000 You have to think about when to do it 455 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 and design an activity that lasts 456 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,000 at least two hours 457 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,000 for them to be working. 458 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Well, it is a recommendation that I make 459 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 if it can be applied in that way, 460 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 at least at the levels where you have 461 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 more responsible students and you know 462 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 that they are going to be working and you will be able to be 463 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 talking to the student. 464 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 You can also ask them a little bit of responsibility. 465 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 For example, if I am attending one-on-one 466 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 so that I can see the grade of the exam, 467 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 in the meantime, I just ask 468 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 if I have put in a job, which also tries 469 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000 to be something entertaining, 470 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 something creative maybe, so that they are there 471 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 and even if there is a background noise, they let you 472 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,000 work with the person 473 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 and you are not giving their grades. 474 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Well, I understand that it depends 475 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 on the educational level. 476 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 It is also a matter of classroom management, 477 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 that one has to know how 478 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,000 an exam and a certain 479 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000 situation affect in a certain way 480 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,000 and how maybe simply a job 481 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,000 that has been in a team that can even 482 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 be valued in a different way 483 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,000 to give a positive feedback, 484 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 so that everyone also learns from that feedback 485 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000 that is being given to others. 486 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,000 In the end, it is to apply a little bit 487 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 the logical sense of how 488 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 to organize that session. 489 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Obviously, I think that giving the grades 490 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000 in a loud voice 491 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 is something that was done before 492 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 and that was very common. 493 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Just think about it a little 494 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,000 and then you have to adapt it. 495 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 It is not that it is forbidden, 496 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000 they are recommendations. 497 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,000 There are many processes that also occur 498 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000 in the gamification areas. 499 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000 You mentioned before the Classgol program, 500 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 which is actually an application 501 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 that also allows you to communicate with families 502 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 and that is why we are going to the next question 503 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 and also entering into more digital issues. 504 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Of course, it is very good 505 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 as a gamification tool 506 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 for those who read the most, 507 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 but it is also providing positive elements to everyone 508 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000 because it is the one that has read the most, 509 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000 because it is the one that improves communication, 510 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000 because it is the one that improves helping 511 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000 its students, its classmates. 512 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 In this way, in the end, everyone has that 513 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 positive rating and it is a gamification 514 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 in which I can also learn 515 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 what other activities I can do 516 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 and that in this way I am learning 517 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 together with others and we are growing. 518 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 A lot of work is done in elementary school, 519 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 we have seen it with the traffic lights, 520 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,000 with the reading train, 521 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,000 with the hands or the chuches, 522 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000 it would be necessary to see if there are chuches or not 523 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000 at the end of the class, 524 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 but it is no longer a matter of data protection, 525 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000 we enter other dynamics, 526 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000 but all these 527 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 methodological strategies, 528 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 in the background, is not 529 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000 comparing students, but it is 530 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 playing to see 531 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,000 different possibilities of continuing to learn 532 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000 and doing and growing, 533 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 let's say personally, 534 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 to achieve certain 535 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 attitudes of 536 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000 the students, of course, 537 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,000 there will be conflict when that 538 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000 transcends the classroom, because when 539 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 it is inside the classroom, let's say there is no problem, 540 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000 there is no prohibition, but 541 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 what happens when these applications 542 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,000 inform families, 543 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 when these applications also have registered 544 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 names and surnames of the students? 545 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Exactly, that's what I was going to say, it's the same, 546 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000 the postcard we had before, 547 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 when they put a sticker on you, 548 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000 that when an educational application enters, 549 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000 because indeed that stays there, 550 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 it stays on the servers, 551 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000 you can access the information, 552 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,000 so that's when you have to do an analysis, 553 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,000 I don't know if 554 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000 what the educational application is, 555 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000 read the privacy policies, 556 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000 see what you are going to do with that information 557 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 and who you are going to give it to, 558 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 and based on that, make decisions, 559 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000 and that is also digital competence. 560 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000 And that anonymization, right? 561 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Of course, of course, the first thing is anonymization, 562 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 that anonymization, 563 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 it is quite complicated to achieve, 564 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 because putting the initials, 565 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000 that is not anonymizing, but of course 566 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 it is always much better to put initials 567 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000 than to put the name and the two surnames. 568 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000 The more you can anonymize, 569 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 much better. 570 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000 We always recommend 571 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 that they put a yellow dot, 572 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,000 that they put something 573 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000 that cannot identify the student. 574 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 We understand the complexity, 575 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000 because that makes the teacher's job very difficult, 576 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 but everything that can be anonymized, 577 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 it is much better, 578 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 because then that information 579 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 remains on the servers and remains 580 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 in the educational applications. 581 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000 And maybe what you have to take into account 582 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000 is what didactic and pedagogical objective 583 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 I am trying to achieve with the students. 584 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 That is the first thing to think about 585 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 when you are going to use an educational application. 586 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,000 And therefore, perhaps that does not have to be 587 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000 a large representation within the note, 588 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 but it will be a percentage of those observations, 589 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000 of that work that we are doing with the students, 590 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000 and therefore, well, we can leave that information 591 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 in the student's qualifications, 592 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000 but it is rather to have 593 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 their participation in the day-to-day, 594 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000 in actions, in activities. 595 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 We are not talking about class 2, 596 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000 but we could go to any other application. 597 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Yes, but what you say is interesting, 598 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 that it is used to improve conduct, 599 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000 but not ... 600 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000 But it is the central element. 601 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Sure, exactly. 602 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 I don't know if you want to say something, 603 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Jorge, that seemed to me ... 604 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 No, that then, always when these applications are used, 605 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 then everyone forgets to delete 606 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 the users or to delete them. 607 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 That is important, that is, 608 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 creating them is very good, anonymized, 609 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000 but then there is the next step. 610 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000 When that is finished, 611 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000 nothing is needed, 612 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000 then the last class of the boy, 613 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000 we are going to delete, we are going to delete 614 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000 so that it does not remain in our footprint. 615 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Because in the end, what she says, 616 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 total anonymization is practically impossible 617 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000 because the system, well, that, 618 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000 they can track you by IP, 619 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 well, in the end they can make a triangulation 620 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 and say, well, you have a 98% 621 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000 possibility of being I don't know who, 622 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000 because you are also buying these things, 623 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 well, I'm not going to get into that because people get mad. 624 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Well, you have to know that things happen 625 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000 and that you have to know how to protect yourself. 626 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Digital competition is also knowing how to protect yourself. 627 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 And in digital competition, 628 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 you also have to teach the students 629 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 through teaching them how to protect themselves. 630 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 In the end, one has to cross the road, 631 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 the ideal thing is to cross it 632 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000 through the right places, 633 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000 through the zebra crossing, looking at one side and the other, 634 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 but sometimes you have to cross the road 635 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000 or the road and you have to take 636 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000 many precautions, right? And in the end, 637 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000 well, in digital, many times we have to cross, 638 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000 but we have to cross knowing. 639 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 And well, for me too, 640 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000 digital competition seems to me to be 641 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 discarding, perhaps, studying them, 642 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000 analyzing them all, of course, 643 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 but maybe there are some that are not convenient. 644 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 And looking for the objective. 645 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 The pedagogical objective. 646 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 No, but that's the same. The jobs that are done 647 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000 on these platforms, many times, 648 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000 they stay there forever. 649 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 Someone looks for you or the name of the person 650 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 and you find that x years ago 651 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000 he did this job. 652 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 I'm going to give a very silly example. 653 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Well, this student did a job saying it was 654 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 from Madrid to death, I don't know what, I don't know how many. 655 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000 And that day, 10 years have passed 656 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000 and he signs for Barcelona. 657 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 And then that job comes out 658 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 saying how wonderful it was, 659 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 all his love for Real Madrid and that in life 660 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 he is also in Barcelona. 661 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Well, that kind of thing has happened. 662 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000 But if we focus now on sports, 663 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000 we are going to ... 664 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000 No, but what can affect you 665 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 in your professional career and in your future. 666 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 You have to be very careful. 667 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000 In fact, those jobs that can 668 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 be more, let's say, 669 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000 public, perhaps what they don't have 670 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000 to be is names and surnames. 671 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000 You may have done a job 672 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 that to death for Real Madrid, 673 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000 but if you have gone up to the virtual classroom 674 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 in the specific space that the teacher 675 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000 has sent you, 676 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000 it does not necessarily have to be signed 677 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 with names and surnames. Therefore, even if the job 678 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 is done and we have already learned how to 679 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000 make that presentation, that video, 680 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 that recording or that podcast 681 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,000 or that digital product, in short, 682 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000 it is not identified except by 683 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000 the teacher, but in the public, 684 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 it is also a way of working. 685 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000 I'm going to give you an example for that, 686 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000 because there are companies that are dedicated to 687 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000 researching you on the internet and getting you 688 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 from an alternative curriculum to the official 689 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000 curriculum that you have. 690 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000 And then many times that is already reaching 691 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 people from Human Resources. 692 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000 In fact, Human Resources already works in many companies. 693 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Well, a lot, of course, the curriculum on paper already ... 694 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 You don't need to answer me, 695 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000 but from Real Madrid? 696 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 I do. 697 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000 As they say, 698 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 you will see. 699 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000 Well, let's continue, if you like. 700 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Let's go a little bit 701 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 to perhaps more technical topics, 702 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 because we are talking about 703 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000 in a global way of what 704 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 data protection is. 705 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 I think it is important that in any definition 706 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000 we make, whether it is analog or 707 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 digital, we always have 708 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 how it affects data protection 709 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000 and that we choose the best option 710 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000 from the point of view of always being in our security 711 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000 as a teacher and always being 712 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000 of the student's security, 713 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 since we are teaching and educating him, 714 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000 but there are a multitude of terms, 715 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 you mentioned before, for example, 716 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000 the rights of ratification, 717 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 reposition, suppression, 718 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000 all this vocabulary 719 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 that suddenly has come 720 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000 to us 721 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000 above and that, well, 722 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000 as teachers, many times we do not know 723 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000 because we have not studied law, 724 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000 we have not worked with that vocabulary. 725 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 What are those, 726 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000 let's say, informative pillars 727 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000 necessary to know 728 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 regarding this broad vocabulary 729 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 of data protection that we should 730 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000 have there, well, present. 731 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Okay. 732 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Well, it seems to me 733 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 very important to have basic 734 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 knowledge of what are the principles 735 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000 in data protection, 736 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000 which is what is applied 737 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 whenever we do a data treatment. 738 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000 First of all, I'm going to explain it 739 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000 very short and very easy. First of all, 740 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 the principle of minimization, which is to always use 741 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000 the minimum possible data. 742 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000 When we are going to do a treatment, we are going to 743 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 think about what we are going to do, 744 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000 what is the purpose and 745 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 use the minimum data. For example, 746 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 I have been asked in the registration of my children 747 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000 what my job was, 748 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000 my professional position. 749 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Well, I don't know how far it is justified. 750 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000 That is, whenever we are going to ask for data, 751 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000 it has to be very justified with the purpose 752 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000 and ask for the minimum possible data, 753 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000 because this is a reason for sanction 754 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000 by the Spanish Agency for Data Protection. 755 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000 There is also the principle of purpose, 756 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000 that is, all the data you ask for 757 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000 has to have a specific purpose, 758 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000 why are you asking for it? 759 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 So we also have to question that 760 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 and before asking for data, 761 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000 know why we are asking for it and for what. 762 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,000 The principle of transparency 763 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000 is also essential, which is 764 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000 that whenever we ask for personal data, 765 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 we must inform what we are going to do with the 766 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 personal data, what we are going to do 767 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 with it, who we are going to give it to, 768 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000 how long we are going to keep it, 769 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000 which is also a very interesting topic, 770 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000 what are the rights you can exercise. 771 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,000 So whenever we ask for personal data, 772 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000 we have to incorporate it, because the legend 773 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000 is in the protection of very long data 774 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000 that no one reads, so we have to put it 775 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000 in whenever we ask for data, 776 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000 because if not, it is also subject to sanction. 777 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 And then the principle of licitude, 778 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000 that whenever we ask for personal data, 779 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 there has to be a basis of legitimation 780 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000 that allows us to treat data. 781 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000 It is true that in the educational field 782 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000 there are usually laws, 783 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000 the law of education that allows us 784 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000 that treatment and we can, that's why 785 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 we can ask for data, we can ask for 786 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000 health data whenever they have an 787 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 educational function and we are legitimized. 788 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 In other words, not always when we ask 789 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000 for personal data, it has to be based 790 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000 on consent. 791 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 You have to take that into account. 792 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 In the educational field, 793 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 we only ask for consent, 794 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,000 consent is mostly for 795 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000 the treatment of images. 796 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000 But the rest of the data we ask for 797 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000 an educational work may 798 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000 exist another basis of legitimation. 799 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000 So these are the basic principles 800 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000 that we have to take into account whenever 801 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 we do a data treatment. 802 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 I'm going to interrupt you to 803 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 break a little bit the 804 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000 legislative thread, 805 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000 but let's go back to it. 806 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000 How to act then in the case of 807 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000 participation of students in contests, 808 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000 when we take them on an excursion, 809 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000 because of course, on many of these 810 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000 occasions they ask us for data. 811 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000 They ask for data to be able to participate, 812 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 to give awards, 813 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 for these extracurricular activities, 814 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000 even there are times when they have to identify 815 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,000 themselves to know who has entered, 816 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 because there are visits to sites that are 817 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000 very restricted and therefore it is not 818 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000 that I come with 20 and that's it, 819 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000 but who are entering. 820 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000 How do we act on a daily basis in these 821 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000 cases that we are given, 822 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000 precisely from participating in contests, 823 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000 contests, visits to museums, 824 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000 in extracurricular activities? 825 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Well, this is a complex issue 826 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000 and very interesting because it is used a lot 827 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 in educational centers. 828 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000 It is also used to do the activity, 829 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000 for example, we are going to go to the zoo, 830 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000 then the father gives the authorization for the 831 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000 child to do the activity, 832 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000 but then a data treatment can be done, 833 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 that is, if the children are going to eat 834 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 in the zoo, those in the zoo have to 835 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 know if they have an allergy, 836 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000 otherwise they cannot go to the activity. 837 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000 So there it is not based on consent, 838 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000 but there is another basis of legitimation 839 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000 that allows the treatment of this data, 840 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000 so you have to give the data to the zoo, 841 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000 but it is what we have talked about before, 842 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000 the zoo cannot ask for excessive data, 843 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 simply what is strictly 844 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 necessary to carry out 845 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 that activity. If they are actually going 846 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 to go to a museum and need 847 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 entry control to know who is 848 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 entering, then the data must be given 849 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000 as long as we see that it is 850 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000 reasonable and what we do 851 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000 ask the parents is authorization 852 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000 to participate in the activity 853 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000 and then we give the data and the museum 854 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000 is legitimized for data treatment. 855 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000 And in the data treatment they also have to put 856 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 the duration of that data. 857 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Of course, the museum has to tell you 858 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 all this. 859 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000 It is important that we have, that we read 860 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 that small letter, some 861 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000 sometimes a little. 862 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000 From what we get in the consultations, many times 863 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000 to the mailbox it seems that, let's say, 864 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000 both museums, even Radio Televisión Española, 865 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000 are already very up to date on these issues 866 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000 because they are coming to us, well, look, 867 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 this is what Televisión Española sends me, 868 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000 or this is what happens to me, this particular 869 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000 museum, and normally everything is fine. 870 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000 It's not like maybe a few years ago 871 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000 that you didn't know. 872 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Now let's say that 873 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000 these companies, these entities, are getting used to it. 874 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 Like participation in contests, 875 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 those contests will have a basis 876 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000 and if they collect data, they have to have 877 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 a privacy policy, 878 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000 an information policy, then that has to be read 879 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000 and see what we are doing, because maybe 880 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000 you are pointing to your children in class 881 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000 a contest and then those data 882 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000 become part of a file of the company, 883 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000 I don't know how many. 884 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000 And they use it for other purposes, 885 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000 so you have to say, well, look, 886 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 this contest is not convenient for me. 887 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000 In this sense, you were saying 888 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000 how they can contact you, 889 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000 I think you all know, 890 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000 but if you want to remember it. 891 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000 We have the email button, 892 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000 which is protecciondatos.educacion 893 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000 arroba madrid.rg 894 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 and then the phone, 895 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 I don't know. 896 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000 But the phone is always much more complicated, 897 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000 and in that way they enter 898 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000 and any doubt in that sense, 899 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000 I think it is also the best 900 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000 way to know what is happening 901 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000 in the day-to-day of the centers 902 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 and what is the problem we have. 903 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000 And also know what contests, 904 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000 what museums, and when the next 905 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 questions come, it is already solved. 906 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Of course, if you have doubts, 907 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 ask us, of course, 908 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000 many centers do it. 909 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000 The important thing is that once a case is resolved, 910 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000 that is, participation in a television program 911 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000 is not the same. 912 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000 But it is true that there are many 913 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000 educational centers that say, 914 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000 hey, this, I don't know, 915 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000 because this is often like intuition. 916 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000 At the end, what is important is that 917 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000 when we develop the whole activity, 918 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000 we have here, 919 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 but I'm doing it well from the point of view 920 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 of data protection, 921 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000 I can think a little further. 922 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 Once I heard that not all of us know 923 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000 the criminal code, but we all know 924 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000 that killing is not good, 925 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000 but we have an intuition 926 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000 that we are not going well there. 927 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000 So, of course, 928 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000 ask us whenever you want, 929 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000 and there we are for advice, which is our voice. 930 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Well, 931 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000 let's go to the technological part again, 932 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000 image rights, 933 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000 all those issues that 934 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000 can arouse 935 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 many fears of each student, 936 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000 but we will see how even a student 937 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000 can upload a video 938 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 or not, or in what conditions, 939 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000 to the library or YouTube 940 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000 or other video platforms. 941 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000 But 942 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000 are there the same limitations 943 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000 when the one who uses those tools 944 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000 is the teacher than the student? 945 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Because in the end we put the student's 946 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 data protection aside, 947 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000 but how should the teacher use 948 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000 those other available applications 949 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000 with his students? 950 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000 It is possible that the student 951 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000 cannot do certain things, 952 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000 but the teacher can, 953 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000 of course, 954 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000 if he wants to 955 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000 make recordings 956 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000 as a tool. 957 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 And of course, since it is an adult, 958 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 he can do what is possible. 959 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000 He is recording himself and 960 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000 explaining a small tutorial 961 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000 and he wants to upload it, there is no problem. 962 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000 The problem would be that it was the younger student 963 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000 who made the explanation of how 964 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000 the tool is used and the teacher uploads it. 965 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000 So there we can have a problem, 966 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000 but you recording yourself 967 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000 with a work channel, 968 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000 you give your consent and you upload it 969 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000 and that's it. 970 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Of course, but the teachers 971 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000 can also do it freely. 972 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 They can protect themselves. 973 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000 They do not have an obligation, 974 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000 but it is true that many times 975 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000 we get like, no, no, 976 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 if they can't, neither can I. 977 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000 The difference is that the teacher 978 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000 can record videos if he wishes 979 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000 to make a clip classroom, for example, 980 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000 or on YouTube 981 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000 or any other platform 982 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000 and those links 983 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 facilitate them to the students 984 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000 and through them you can learn. 985 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Another thing is that we can make 986 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000 those students also work 987 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000 on digital video recording products, 988 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000 audio recording, 989 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 what limitations, how they have to do it, 990 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 what difficulties, where to accommodate them, 991 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 any clue about this? 992 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000 One thing is to work 993 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 with the tool and another thing is that 994 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 the teacher does not have 995 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000 personal data. 996 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 I can make a video 997 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000 edition with certain information 998 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 where there is no personal data 999 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000 and then 1000 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000 I am not doing any infraction. 1001 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000 I can use the YouTube video editor 1002 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000 or editor of any other tool 1003 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 as long as I am not using 1004 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000 personal data there. 1005 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000 There would be the issue of registration on the platform. 1006 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 With what do we register? 1007 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 That's where we have to be careful, 1008 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000 if the student 1009 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 is an adult, 1010 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 it is a functional way, 1011 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 you are doing it because you want to. 1012 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Another important thing is that it does not reach 1013 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 the delegation with students of FP, 1014 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000 older students, where there are platforms, 1015 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000 for example Cisco, 1016 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000 that to get a certificate 1017 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000 from them you have to 1018 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000 take the course 1019 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000 on their platform. 1020 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000 There are privacy policies 1021 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000 that the student has to accept 1022 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000 to take that course. 1023 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 It is not a circumstance in which you are 1024 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000 forced to obtain an official 1025 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000 certification to work with this company. 1026 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 You are an adult and in that case 1027 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000 everyone knows a little 1028 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000 what to do when we are 1029 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000 talking about 12-year-old children. 1030 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000 You have to see a little 1031 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000 and weigh there, 1032 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000 next to using the tools, 1033 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000 see with which children I am working 1034 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000 and how far I can go, 1035 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000 always trying to be as respectful 1036 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000 with the protection of data, 1037 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000 and avoiding generating 1038 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000 a fingerprint simply because 1039 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000 as a teacher I want my students to work 1040 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 with that tool. If a student wants to generate 1041 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000 his fingerprint 1042 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000 and has the consent of his parents, 1043 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000 he can do it in his private life, 1044 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 but not because for 1045 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000 an activity of mine he is 1046 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000 generating a fingerprint that generates a job 1047 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 and that stays forever. 1048 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 The importance is to erase 1049 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000 those accounts that 1050 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000 have been deleted. 1051 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Well, I don't know, 1052 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 but I think there is also a difference 1053 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 if recording has an educational 1054 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000 function or does not have an 1055 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000 educational function. So first of all, 1056 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000 we can do recordings with 1057 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000 an educational function, 1058 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000 even without the need to ask for 1059 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000 consent, but as long as they are not 1060 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000 uploaded to social networks. 1061 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000 For example, we could record the 1062 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 gym class if it is going to be in 1063 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000 the classroom to see to improve 1064 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000 the quality of the video. 1065 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000 Another thing that we can do, 1066 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000 if it is in the data protection 1067 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000 institutions, is that it is not done 1068 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 with the teacher's mobile phone, 1069 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000 but maybe they buy a camera in the 1070 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 educational center, because if not, 1071 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 the teacher will have a lot of personal 1072 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000 data from the students, he can lose 1073 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 his mobile phone, there may be a security 1074 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000 breach, he can get into trouble. 1075 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 So they do it with the camera in the 1076 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000 center, the images are downloaded 1077 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000 and those are for educational functions 1078 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000 . 1079 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000 If what we want is to show 1080 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000 the class project, something 1081 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000 they are doing, a job, 1082 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000 what we always recommend is that it is 1083 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000 not necessary for the face of the 1084 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000 students to come out, but they can come 1085 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000 out of their backs, their hands, very 1086 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000 far away, and that, as it is anonymized, 1087 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000 as we talked about earlier, can be 1088 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000 easily published on the Internet, 1089 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000 because there is no personal data. 1090 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000 But the moment the parents want to 1091 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000 see, for example, the Christmas function, 1092 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000 they can go to the library, but with 1093 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000 user and password, not open, 1094 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000 because then we continue to do 1095 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000 digital support, even if it is 1096 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Ducamadrid. So with user and password 1097 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000 only people involved who want to 1098 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000 see that event can access it, and not 1099 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000 the whole school, and open on the 1100 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000 Internet. So those are the 1101 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000 recommendations we make for the 1102 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000 publication of the images, because what 1103 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000 we are trying to promote is the 1104 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000 protection of the minor. 1105 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000 But if they have consent 1106 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000 of the 14-year-old and 1107 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000 of the families, they can do it. 1108 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000 What happens is that we try to 1109 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000 protect, to try to avoid 1110 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000 the fingerprint, but 1111 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000 with consent it can be done, 1112 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 that is, it is not prohibited. 1113 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000 I don't know if ... 1114 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000 ... 1115 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,000 ... 1116 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000 ... 1117 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000 ... 1118 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