Historical Gossip Hour - John Jay and the secret alliance

Hi everyone! Welcome to Historical Gossip Hour, the podcast where we dive into history 00:00:00

and make it fun. Today, we're talking about Spain's role in the independence of the American 00:00:21

colonies and an unexpected connection with john jay wait wait wait john jay who's that 00:00:27

weren't we supposed to talk about spain and the colonies emma john jay was a k-american diplomat 00:00:34

while he was indirectly involved in the latin american independence movements his actions 00:00:40

influenced how spain managed its empire at the time oh come on emma it's like when you're watching 00:00:46

a series and a side character suddenly becomes super important for the plot? That's John Jay. 00:00:54

Exactly! Jay played a significant role in international politics during the late 18th 00:01:00

century, especially in the relationships between the United States and Spain. 00:01:06

Okay, let's set the stage. In the 18th century, Spain had the massive empire in Latin America, 00:01:11

but by the early 19th century, Spain was weakened by the Napoleonic Wars, 00:01:18

and holding on to its colonies became increasingly difficult. 00:01:24

But what does the United States have to do with this? 00:01:28

I thought it was just between Spain and its colonies? 00:01:32

Well, the United States was willing to ensure Spain as an obstacle. 00:01:35

John Jay, being super strategic, wanted to ensure Spain couldn't interfere with American expansion. 00:01:39

It's like when you want the best seat in class and need to distract the annoying kid who always gets there first. 00:01:46

Totally! In 1786, Jay signed the Jay-Gardocchi Treaty with Spain. 00:01:53

While it seemed like he was working toward a peaceful agreement about the Mississippi River, 00:01:58

Jay's long-term goal was to weaken Spain. 00:02:03

Right! And while Spain was busy dealing with its European problems, 00:02:06

independence ideas were already spreading in Latin America. 00:02:11

Spain simply couldn't handle everything at once. 00:02:15

Wait, so are you saying John Jay helped the colonies become independent? 00:02:19

Not exactly Emma, but Jay's actions along with the growing influence of the United States 00:02:25

put even more pressure on Spain that opened the door for the colonies to push their independence movements. 00:02:31

Yeah, it's like when your parents are distracted with the dog and you sneak out with your friends. 00:02:38

In other words, John Jay wasn't a hero for Latin America, but his decisions indirectly contributed to the fall of the Spanish Empire. 00:02:43

So, Spain was struggling to keep its empire, and independence was inevitable. 00:02:52

So, was John Jay important or not? Because I'm still confused. 00:02:57

Emma, yes, he was important, but not directly. Let's just say he moved pieces on the cheeseboard that made Spain's life even harder. 00:03:03

Basically, the ultimate troublemaker. 00:03:12

Exactly. History isn't just about heroes and villains. 00:03:15

Sometimes, people unintentionally shape the course of events. 00:03:20

And there you have it. Spain, the colonies and John Jay, all connected in unexpected ways. 00:03:24

Thanks for visiting Historical Gossip Hour. If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to follow us and share it. 00:03:31

And if you're still confused, just ask Emma. 00:03:38

See you next week and bye for now. 00:03:42

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